Posted on 05/10/2005 1:51:41 AM PDT by Stoat
I am certainly glad that you do not think enforcing speed limits through school zones is important.
Hell, you even came up with your own solution: A triangle nightstick hold.
You have the gift of gab, you must be a lawyer. I've never seen the safety of children put to such cold double-talk.
True, but it is risky. If you can grab a wrist, okay. If you have to go for the neck, you have to be real careful.
I'd much rather you do that, then taser the foetus.
There is NO excuse for tasering the pregnant.
There's more of a rationale for killing the pregnant (because they attempt to kill you) than tasering them, because if you are only escalating the thing to nonviolent force, there are other options.
Damn, that's some funny stuff! And true.
Great start to my day.
One should never, ever, be arrested for a crime or charge in which jail is not an option. It should be treated like service of process where the officer fills out an affidavit that he gave or tried to give the ticket to the party and they wouldn't take it or wouldn't sign it. If they don't appear, perhaps failure to appear may be a crime punishable by jail time, at which point they can be arrested. However, they are found guilty, fined, and not allowed to renew their DL or any other government issued license without payment plus either a late fee or interest. Keep in mind that traffic tickets are rackets for income production; they are not for enforcing the public safety.
Whether one is prudent in refusing to sign a traffic ticket or not, police officers have much more important things to do than arrest people for refusing to sign. This arrest took several man hours of police time that could have been much better spent. If we are talking about violent crimes, then I don't care how much time an officer spends, but this was an exercise in stubborness.
What is nonviolent force?
I feel sorry for anyone who breaks the school zone speed limit and runs over and kills my child.
The mph must depend on the size of the school, it's location and population. I don't know how they arrive at what is and isn't safe. But, when the signs show, slow school zone, and there's a posted 20 mph limit, I expect all drivers to respect the limit and drive accordingly. The life of my child may depend on it.
"anti police bias"? - NO - its a level of concern that arises when innocents are tazed for refusing to sign incriminating declarations. This was further compunded when they dry fired the prod to intimidate her into submission. Sorry Kojak - thats not bias - thats LIBERTY
I do not consider myself or the officers I work with as a road tax collector.
well - without putting too fine a point on it - when youre enforcing arbitrarily established speed zones, you are generating revenue for the Town or State.
If you knew anything about criminal or traffic law, you would know that taking offenders before the judge is so that the Judge can read the charge and further explain the violators rights.
so now theyre "violators" even before trial?
One of the those silly little Constitutional protections you seem so hot on.
so minimizing his concern is cause for sarcasm ?
Thank you for your input. I have given it the consideration it deserves
merely reinforcing the notion that a majority of law enforcement types have the attitude that they (as a arm of the government) know better than the average civi
I would HOPE that you meant:
I feel sorry for anyone who runs over and kills my child.
See which part is important? I know your child would know the important part.
Additionally, that force should not be applied to the unborn AT ALL. Your nightstick would not be contacting the foetus.... the electricity would.
I feel sorry for the officer that tazes my pregnant wife and causes my wife to spontaneously abort because he insisted on having an incriminating instrument signed, despite the fact traffic camera tickets are not signed
Hopefully, your wife follows the laws and gets out of her car when a policeman asks her to. If she does, no problem and no tazer, only a speeding ticket. End of story.
Something you have to understand that every police officer already understands: There is no force without violence. Whenever you have to force any individual into custody, somebody is going to get hurt. Could be the perpetrator or it could be the police officer or it will probably be both.
"First rule is:...argue with a policeman...expect adverse consequences...."
'sig heil' comrad well said...they shoulda sicked their dogs on her too!
I feel sorry for anyone who runs over and kills my child.
The subject is: speeding in a school zone.
Hopefully, your wife would be literate enough to read the document and determine that it is NOT incriminating, merely an agreement to appear in court. See, Court is where you argue these things, not the side of the road. If you and your wife don't understand that then you might well have something bad happen to either you or your wife.
incriminating instrument signed, despite the fact traffic camera tickets are not signed
Then work to get the law changed. Until then, we go by laws on the books.
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