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Study Finds Different Brain Response In Gay, Straight Men
Local10.com ^ | May 9, 2005 | Unknown

Posted on 05/09/2005 4:59:01 PM PDT by Scenic Sounds

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To: John Lenin

I noted it was very complex . . .

because of learning, tastes, conscious choices etc.

Holding all other things equal, I still say, recent research indicates that pheremones can be powerful contributors toward attraction related behaviors.

The article talked about some solid research. The smells triggered sexual responses--at least at the brain level and probably somewhat at the genital level.

The smells DID THAT. Smells CAN DO THAT.

The smell triggers can be ignored, amplified, distracted from, played various games with etc. But this research says that the smells trigger clear physiological brain responses in the brain area that triggers/facilitates sexual responses. That's simply true.

Smells are famous for triggering intense memories associated with those smells. That is hypothesized to be true because the nose has such a direct route to some very key brain centers. That's likely one reason that such smells as this research discusses can be so powerful

WITH CERTAIN TYPES OF PEOPLE AND PARTICULARLY SO IN CERTAIN CONTEXTS WITH CERTAIN OTHER TYPES OF PEOPLE OR THE SAME TYPES OF PEOPLE.

I don't understand what's so difficult to accept about that.

It's not quite the same thing as saying that one whiff of a homosexual stud's T-shirt and all the gays on the street are going to walk immediately across racing traffic and start humping on the sidewalk. But it's also not quite the same thing as saying that smells have no impact.


61 posted on 05/09/2005 8:38:06 PM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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To: gogipper; EdReform; scripter

You'd do well to ask Scripter and/or EdReform about that text. It was likely a fabrication by pro-homosexual text book writers or faux researchers. I have never, ever heard or read that, and if it was really true, it would be blasted all over the place, since homosexual pushers are searching devotedly for anything that proves their points.


62 posted on 05/09/2005 8:40:33 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it.)
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To: velyrorenry

Perhaps not now, but if you came from a really screwed up family, with a father who deserted you, then you were molested/seduced as a child or adolescent by an older man you admired and looked up to, who knows?


63 posted on 05/09/2005 8:42:05 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it.)
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To: Scenic Sounds

Last time a distinction in brain chemistry was found and hypothesized as a basis for homosexuality, it was also found that the brain chemistry of lab rats that had been subjected to stress and drugs showed the same differences. So I guess this latest finding is pretty important, since things like stress and substance abuse are so unheard of in the gay community, right?


64 posted on 05/09/2005 8:45:15 PM PDT by william clark
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To: Quix
Every time I smell a woman wearing Ciara perfume I think of an old girlfriend. I really think this article is BS propaganda. I'm not one for quack science based on ifs and maybes.
65 posted on 05/09/2005 8:45:54 PM PDT by John Lenin (The truth is the opposite of whatever Dan Rather says it is)
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To: little jeremiah

who knows is the correct answer. Many come from upstanding Christian families so I don't know.


66 posted on 05/09/2005 8:46:56 PM PDT by velyrorenry
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To: The_Reader_David
Adam's sin was a choice by his reason(?), not his genetic structure. Consequently, all sin is a choice.
We see through a glass darkly, not because we don't have enough rods, but because the secret things belong unto the Lord and we will have them revealed in another time, another place.
While we are here, we will live by faith.
It too, being a choice.
67 posted on 05/09/2005 8:49:38 PM PDT by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: velyrorenry

There are many things that can cause a person to become attracted to the same sex; even being attracted but not acting on the attraction can weaken that attraction.

The important point is that the fact that there are tens of thousands of former homosexuals proves that it is not inborn, and certainly not immutable.

Even if some people have more of a tendency to be attracted to members of the same sex (which point is debatable at best), it is a fact that people, if they want, have a good chance of being healed from it.


68 posted on 05/09/2005 8:51:13 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it.)
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To: The_Reader_David
Oh, a tabula rasa type.

Sorry, too much research on biological basis for behavior suggests we do indeed have inborn propensities. Identical twins reared apart go into the same or similar lines of work far more often than do adoptive siblings raised together from birth. In case you hadn't notice, the brain is physical.

We all know that gross deformities of the brain (Downs syndrome, for example) have a genetic basis. Why are you fighting the obvious? Do you really buy the argument that inborn = morally right?

You are raising strawman arguments.

Yes, identical twins are similar in many ways, but not in the tendency to go gay.

Some things like Downs have a genetic cause, but some infections do genetic damage, so your analogy to Downs is not complete. You'd have to show that the genetic damage shows up only at the same rate as other bad mutations (which gay does not), or that being gay provides some benefit (like sickle-cell/malaria), which hasn't been found.

My reference is "Perspectives in Biology and Medicine", 43,3, Spring 2001, pg 406, the article is "Infectious Causation of Disease: An Evolutionary Perspective", by Cochran, Ewald and Cochran.

This article notes that the evolutionary fitness load and relatively high incidence matches that of an infectious cause, not a hereditary cause. It's not proof of an infectious cause, but it is sufficient evidence to justify further research.

69 posted on 05/09/2005 8:52:35 PM PDT by slowhandluke
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To: The_Reader_David
P.S. I had to look up 'tabula rasa' and for the life of me, I haven't a clue why you would 'type' me that way.
Explain?
70 posted on 05/09/2005 9:01:00 PM PDT by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: knarf

Did you read the second paragraph? Do you know the difference between temptation and sin? Do you know the difference between the conditions when Adam sinned only through his own volition, and conditions now when we have bad examples of other sinners, and are born without the communion of the Holy Spirit which Adam received when God breathed upon him?


71 posted on 05/09/2005 9:02:41 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (Christ is Risen! Christos Anesti! Khristos Voskrese! Al-Masih Qam! Hristos a Inviat!)
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To: thoughtomator

Exactly what I was thinking.


72 posted on 05/09/2005 9:03:25 PM PDT by cupcakes
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To: Scenic Sounds

For Gays, only the left side of the brain is affected, thus the Leftist thought pattern.


73 posted on 05/09/2005 9:04:47 PM PDT by -=Wing_0_Walker=- (Don't spit in my eye and charge me for eyewash!)
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To: John Lenin

This is an effort of the homosexual advocates to declare everyone with a sense of smell is a homoseuxal.

(note: no sarcasm)


74 posted on 05/09/2005 9:13:07 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: knarf
Why? Because you wrote:

I believe (just as every qualifier in the article believes), genes dictate physical properties. The rest is the result of thought patterns ... taught and learned ... (because one believes a particular way or view is correct, one follows the paths that way or view directs.)

and are at pains to argue against the existence of inborn propensities toward particular behaviors (particularly sins).

Now, do you really, really believe that the normal genetic component of a heterosexual male human being does not produce a powerful temptation to commit fornication, and even fornication with women just past puberty? Yes, we sin by our own choice, just as Adam did, but it's a lot harder for us to choose rightly out here in 'this world' rather than in Paradise.

It's the wrong fight. Traditional morality is given us to transcend the temptations we are heir to, and grace to attain again the likeness which had fallen of old. Arguing that besetting temptations cannot be inborn goes against both the plain words of Scripture and increasingly against the evidence of science.

Fight for the morality given us in the Scriptures, not against science.

75 posted on 05/09/2005 9:16:21 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (Christ is Risen! Christos Anesti! Khristos Voskrese! Al-Masih Qam! Hristos a Inviat!)
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To: longtermmemmory

Homosexuality is a choice. My message to gay people. Look in the mirror and deny your existance because that is exactly what you are doing, living a lie.


76 posted on 05/09/2005 9:17:38 PM PDT by John Lenin (The truth is the opposite of whatever Dan Rather says it is)
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To: Scenic Sounds

77 posted on 05/09/2005 9:19:23 PM PDT by traumer
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To: The_Reader_David

tabula rasa was for intelligence, hormones out of sync should get treated as a disorder.


78 posted on 05/09/2005 9:20:08 PM PDT by paulmartin
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To: thoughtomator

Exactly. I was thinking the same thing.


79 posted on 05/09/2005 9:25:15 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Terri Schindler was NOT in coma, JUSTICE was.....)
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To: John Lenin

And what training etc. leads you to the conclusion that it's quack science?

It's not quack science nor propaganda EXCEPT for the interpretation the idiot gives it about cause and effect which the research doesn't speak to at all but the author pretends it does.

But, like all such science these days--it's just a very tiny slice of the whole reality. Not a lot of robust inferences one can draw from such tiny slices of reality.

But the data on the tiny slice is valid data and not all that different from research the last decade or two in that field.

Are you a chronic skeptic? Chronic naysayer?


80 posted on 05/09/2005 9:28:09 PM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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