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Desperate for revenues, Detroit ponders fast-food tax
AP ^ | 5-8-05 | Sarah Karush

Posted on 05/08/2005 9:35:26 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan

Desperate for revenues, Detroit ponders fast-food tax 5/8/2005, 9:15 a.m. ET
By SARAH KARUSH
The Associated Press

DETROIT (AP) — Would you like fries with that? Either way, the Detroit city treasury would like a bite.

Faced with a $300 million budget hole, and with traditional revenue-raising options largely exhausted, Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick is hoping people won't mind forking over a few extra cents for their Big Macs and Whoppers.

Kilpatrick is preparing to ask Detroit voters to approve a 2 percent fast-food tax — on top of the 6 percent state sales tax already applied to restaurant meals. The mayor says consumers will barely notice the slight increase at the cash register, but critics say the tax would unfairly burden the poor and hamper economic development in the city.

Other cities and states have special taxes on prepared food, and some have tried "snack taxes" on foods such as cookies and chips. In New York, Assemblyman Felix Ortiz has proposed a 1 percent tax on junk food, video games and TV commercials to fund anti-obesity programs. But the Detroit assessment would be the country's first tax specifically targeting fast-food establishments if approved, the National Restaurant Association said.

Opponents of the Detroit idea have been quick to call it a "fat tax" — a penalty on unhealthy foods. Men's Health Magazine dubbed Detroit the nation's fattest city in 2004, though it slid to No. 3 in the 2005 rankings.

However, the tax would apply not only to fat-laden burgers, fries and desserts, but to anything sold at a fast-food establishment, even salads. City officials say the proposal, part of the draft budget Kilpatrick presented to the City Council last month, is more about Detroit's financial health than anything else.

Although the tax would not come close to fixing Detroit's financial problems — officials predict it would bring in $17 million in the next fiscal year — every dollar counts in a city already bracing for mass layoffs and service cuts.

Enacting the tax would likely require a change in state law. That could be a tough sell in the Republican-controlled Legislature, though city officials say they're confident they'll win the battle.

Kilpatrick's next hurdle would be convincing Detroit voters to give the necessary approval.

"Just tell him we're going to go to Bloomfield Hills to McDonald's if he puts a tax on it," said Ebony Ellis, 18, referring to the affluent Detroit suburb, as she and four friends ate at a Golden Arches in Detroit. The high school classmates eat at McDonald's every day after school because their schedule doesn't leave them time for lunch.

Young people and senior citizens are big consumers of fast food and would bear an unfair share of the tax's burden, some critics contend.

"It's really going to fall upon poor people harder," said Robert Wassmer, a professor of public policy and economics at California State University, Sacramento. Not only would the tax be regressive, but a lack of transportation could make it harder for some low-income residents to cross city boundaries to escape the tax, he said.

The restaurant industry says the idea is also unfair to businesses.

"We think it's extremely counterproductive to say to those people who have provided jobs, who have provided growth, `We're going to levy on you a special tax that we don't levy on anyone else,'" said Andy Deloney, public affairs director of the Michigan Restaurant Association.

But Kilpatrick insists an additional 2 percent — or a nickel on a $2.50 Big Mac — would have little effect on the pocketbooks of the average resident or the competitiveness of Detroit eateries.

"It's not really prohibitive," he said. "It doesn't overburden the family."

And the fact is there aren't many other options.

"With Detroit, you're kind of grasping at straws because the tax base is so tapped into," Wassmer said.

The city currently has five major revenue streams: state revenue sharing, an income tax, property taxes, a tax on its three casinos and a utility tax.

Michigan law limits Detroit's ability to raise income and property taxes. Few argue that such increases would help anyway: High taxes are frequently cited as a major reason residents and businesses have fled the city, further depleting the tax base.

In a study by the District of Columbia comparing Washington and the biggest cities in each state, Detroit in 2003 had the 10th-highest tax burden for a family of four with an income of $75,000. The total burden of state and local taxes combined equaled 11 percent, according to the study.

In addition to the fast-food tax, Kilpatrick also plans to ask voters to approve a property transfer tax, a flat $250 to $500 fee that would be split by the buyer and seller.

Other options, such as a municipal sales tax, might damage Detroit's efforts to revitalize itself after decades of population decline and business flight, Kilpatrick said.

The same goes for an overall meals tax not limited to fast food, Deputy Mayor Anthony Adams said. The mayor likes to boast that 22 new restaurants have opened downtown in the last three years. A tax on all restaurants might hamper this fledgling development, while the city's fast-food market is "pretty mature," Adams said.

Just how does one define the fast-food market? Besides the obvious chains like Wendy's and White Castle, officials have mentioned takeout pizza places and Detroit's ubiquitous chili dog restaurants known as Coney Islands.

But what about American Coney Island, a downtown establishment that has table service despite its simple and speedy fare? What about Starbucks or the corner deli? The administration says it is still working on a definition.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
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To: Verginius Rufus
Windsor on the other side of the river looks positively spanking compared with Detroit. Especially at night. The difference between the two cities are like the difference between night and day. I don't think Ontario would take Detroit now if we asked for it to be taken off our hands.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
61 posted on 05/08/2005 2:12:38 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: MadIvan
I'm thrilled that you're still here!

They need to put a tax on the # of gallons air, each person breathes. THEN, they have to ADD in the amount of EXTRA air the politicians waste/blow out. Problem solved. At he POLITICIANS' expense.

62 posted on 05/08/2005 2:16:09 PM PDT by mommadooo3
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

LOCALLY SPEAKING: Detroit's mayor vs. Oakland Co.'s exec
For the past three years, Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick and Oakland County Executive L. Brooks Patterson have shared a cordial relationship.

But the cordiality turned to at least momentary hostility Wednesday when Kilpatrick appeared on the Frank Beckmann show on WJR-AM (760) and said that Patterson was an impediment to regional cooperation, especially on the issue of an expanded Cobo Hall.

Patterson responded on Beckmann's show Thursday with a tirade that had metro Detroit political activists talking all day.

Can't we all just get along?

The following is an edited transcript of the two interviews.


(snip only, but you will find the whole thing revealing)

"This is an election year, and when it comes down to it and he's falling behind in the polls, he'll start playing the race card. So he's not only going to bait the suburbs against the city. He's going to rally his troops and voters and say 'look at that honky county executive, he won't come to the table.'
"Don't try and tell me we haven't been a good neighbor. We tried to help Detroit. They can't get their act together. For him to say we're a non-player, that we won't come to the table, is wrong.
"Up until that interview. I thought Kwame and I had a working relationship. For him to blame his failures on Oakland County, that's it. I'm so damn angry over this [bleeped]. I'm not going to take it anymore."

http://news.maxisearch.net/20050325_0_11.html



63 posted on 05/08/2005 3:28:21 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

What a guy, this mr kwame, LOL
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Kilpatrick's Cobo plans a pipe dream
Web-posted Jun 6, 2004
By PETE WALDMEIR
Special to The Daily Oakland Press
Let's see if I have this straight._ Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick thinks both Oakland and Macomb counties ought to continue to tax their visitors and tithe to the big city for the next half-century so he can spend up to $1.3 billion to replace or expand his city's aging and hardly venerable riverfront Cobo Hall and Convention Center.
As for Oakland County Exec L. Brooks Patterson's suggestion that a mysterious private interest "White Knight" might be enticed to take on that massive debt by incorporating it with another midtown casino, Kwame says no dice. The last thing Detroit needs is another casino.
Yet, "It must be a facility that in size, scope and beauty matches any convention center in Europe or Asia," big-thinker Kilpatrick intoned in a speech earlier this year.
Adding, of course, that "it must surpass anything in America," too.
In Detroit. Right.
This would be funny if it weren't so pathetic. I hate to be the guy who breaks the news to the wunderkind mayor, but apparently none of his advisors will do it. That draft you feel, Mr. K, isn't the office air-conditioner. Could you have, ahem, left your trousers on the bedpost when you left home this morning?
Detroit's medical center is broke and three long-planned permanent casinos, each with a 400-room hotel, are tied up in legal wrangles and nowhere near delivery.
A $150 million renovation of the derelict Sheraton Cadillac is stalled, the Kilpatrick administration's grand plan for buying the old Michigan Central railroad depot and converting it into a new $130 million police headquarters is nowhere near reality, and even the nation's first strictly African-American museum has required a $500,000 bailout to keep from going belly up.
Regretfully, the city's youngest chief executive can't even seem to find a way to cash in on free money when it's offered. Encouraged by Kilpatrick's youthful enthusiasm, months ago Plymouth philanthropist Robert Thompson promised to give Detroit $200 million gratis to build 15 charter high schools in the city. When political crunch time came, however, Kwame bailed out and withdrew his support.
Hey, no "White Knight" from the suburbs should be allowed to come into Detroit and throw money around, right? Makes the pols look bad.
Undaunted, the generous Thompson then offered a gift of $10 million to help tear down abandoned buildings. All the Kilpatrick administration had to do was spend the money wisely. Detroit flunked again, demolishing fewer houses on a slower schedule than promised, and Thompson once more slipped his checkbook back into his pocket.
Talk about spinning gold into straw.
The latest Cobo scheme may be Kilpatrick's biggest pipe dream yet. As my sainted mother used to say, this 34-year-old's eyes certainly are bigger than his stomach. Here we have yet another case of a guy who grew up in a political family, accustomed to feeding on tax dollars, developing a filet mignon appetite on a grilled cheese sandwich budget.
The Cobo Hall convention and exhibition complex opened in 1960 and was expanded to 700,000 square feet in 1985. Bonds that were sold to pay for that long-ago expansion still are being paid for by a portion of taxes collected on liquor sales and hotel and motel rooms in Oakland, Macomb and Wayne counties. Those bonds don't expire until 2015.
So where to find fresh funding?
It's a time-honored bureaucrat trick to pile new debt on the old by extending existing taxes instead of trying to pass new ones. So Kilpatrick's grand plan for financing the new Cobo II is to raise the bulk of the $1.3 billion by tacking on an additional 30 years worth of bonds, extending Macomb, Oakland and Wayne counties' indebtedness until 2045.
And get this: Presumably to spread the exposure more "fairly," Washtenaw, Monroe, Livingston and St. Clair counties also would be expected to join in the Cobo hotel-motel-liquor tax contributions.
There is a fat chance, of course, that any of this ever will come to pass. And an even fatter chance that Patterson's mystery investor will materialize.
You can be certain of one thing, however: It's not Robert Thompson.
Read Pete Waldmeir's column every Sunday in The Daily Oakland Press. Send e-mail to Pwaldmeir@aol.com. Call (586) 783-8648.

http://www.theoaklandpress.com/stories/060604/col_20040606049.shtml


64 posted on 05/08/2005 3:44:18 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: goldstategop
Detroit is a town where to put it simply, politicians can't think outside the box as far as spending and taxes are concerned. Hey, just tax the Big Mac and fries and we'll be OK.

Detroit is a town where the unemployed are unemployable. I'm speaking from experience, my plant on Detroit's East Side has literally spent millions to hire a staffing agency who did the recruiting, the testing, the interviewing and ultimately us for the hiring of weekend workers. Literally several thousand people went thru the process and of those who were hired, over half had to be replaced within a month.....It was an ongoing process for about 4 or five years until worked slowed down to the point that we didn't need the weekenders any longer.......

65 posted on 05/08/2005 4:44:37 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (After 32 years of dealing with stupid people I still haven't earned the right to just shoot them.)
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To: All

This story on the fast food tax is actually a couple of weeks old. I think the Detroit Free Press had it first, and the overall tone of the article was NOT in Kwame's best interests.

When news hit that Kilpatrick was found to be one of the US's worst mayors by Time Magazine, he whined and cried about not getting credit for good things he's done. Now that this story on his proposed fast food tax (which will hit more minorities than anybody) has gone national, I'm betting he'll make comments that the national media is picking on him for racist reasons.

I suspect a visit from Jesse Jackson very, very soon...


66 posted on 05/08/2005 4:52:20 PM PDT by Kieri
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To: Dan from Michigan

Look for this to spread far and wide and increase....States and Federal arent making anything on the cigarette tax anymore....!


67 posted on 05/09/2005 3:03:55 AM PDT by Jay Howard Smith (Retired(25yrs)Military)
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To: Dan from Michigan

Bump for later read!


68 posted on 05/09/2005 5:59:14 AM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: Dan from Michigan

"every dollar counts in a city already bracing for mass layoffs and service cuts."

What service cuts has he proposed?


69 posted on 05/09/2005 7:25:38 AM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: Mrs Mark

"Maybe they could also tax the popcorn sold in all of Detroit's movie theaters?"

Are there any movie theatres still in Detroit? I thought they had all left the city!


70 posted on 05/09/2005 7:30:04 AM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: Dan from Michigan

At the risk of sounding insensitive, I plan to pull-up a chair, pop a cold one, and enjoy watching this Blue City cesspool of gangster black politicians and union thugs collapse during the next two years. (Detroit went 82 - 16 for Kerry last November).


71 posted on 05/09/2005 7:32:51 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: goldstategop

"And yet for liberals, stimulating the economy by allowing people to keep more of their dollars so they can invest and save as they choose is ALWAYS an unthinkable option."

The problem is that there is nothing left in Detroit to invest in or to spend on. (well, maybe not nothing, but very little.) As a result, tax cuts wouldn't increase revenue.....


72 posted on 05/09/2005 7:34:30 AM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: pabianice

Me too! I really enjoy laughing at the "proud democrats" at my local watering hole! It's great fun to point out the success of their policies!


73 posted on 05/09/2005 7:44:01 AM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: pabianice
(Detroit went 82 - 16 for Kerry last November).

Nope. Detroit was worse. 94 - 5 Kerry. Most democrat big city in the country.

74 posted on 05/09/2005 7:52:31 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("My guvnor don't got the answer")
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To: winodog

"after all the producers have vacated,"

Detroit is a good setting for the last chapters of "Atlas Shrugged"


75 posted on 05/09/2005 7:57:24 AM PDT by Fred Hayek (I live in Minnesota, I run a business in Minnesota, but I remain a TEXAN!)
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To: Fred Hayek

Dr. King is spinning in his grave with centrifugal force...

http://drtucker.blogs.friendster.com/my_blog/2005/05/doesnt_this_guy.html


76 posted on 05/09/2005 5:24:15 PM PDT by emeryboard
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To: Fred Hayek

Dr. King is spinning in his grave with centrifugal force...

http://drtucker.blogs.friendster.com/my_blog/2005/05/doesnt_this_guy.html


77 posted on 05/09/2005 5:24:42 PM PDT by emeryboard
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To: whereasandsoforth

The government will make the fast food outlets collect the taxes and turn them in to Big Brother. if they refuse, they get shut down. Plain and simple. And when businesses start getting shut down for refusing to collect taxes and turning in the revenue, the other businesses will not hesitate to cooperate.


78 posted on 05/13/2005 5:59:52 PM PDT by bigdcaldavis ("HYAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!" - Howard Dean)
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To: MarkL

I don't know how the retard would tax TV commercials. Ortiz would probably have adopted a TV licensing system (like the BBC's licensing system) where people who EVEN OWN televisions would have to pay $120 a year, with TV detector vand roaming all over New York state. He'd probably also do the same thing to video games (annual license/tax). Could you just picture a video game detector van roaming the streets looking for unlicensed Game Boys?

Sometimes when I think about it, I think when God was handing out brains, the liberals thought he said Hanes and went to the Heavenly Department Store's underwear aisle. :)


79 posted on 05/13/2005 6:08:20 PM PDT by bigdcaldavis ("HYAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!" - Howard Dean)
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To: tflabo

""We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Rodham Clinton June 2004"

More like the communist good.


80 posted on 05/13/2005 6:09:49 PM PDT by bigdcaldavis ("HYAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!" - Howard Dean)
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