Posted on 05/07/2005 12:31:41 PM PDT by Panerai
Sun Microsystems, which makes network computers and related software, said on Friday it would double the number of staff at its Indian engineering center to 2,000 over the next two to three years.
Officials of U.S.-based Sun, which spends an annual $1.9 billion on research and development, said they would expand engineering centers in Russia, China, the Czech Republic and India, while holding back growth in the United States.
Stephen Pelletier, senior vice-president of global engineering at Sun, told reporters at a news conference that India and China were important both for new software development and their high-growth economies that have yielded big customers.
"You can say Sun software products are all made in India," he said. "It is obviously cheaper to do business here. But we expect in the next five years the wages to converge more."
The U.S. engineering team is still the biggest for Sun, but the company's current plans are to grow the R&D centers in Bangalore, Beijing, St. Petersburg and Prague, Pelletier said.
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Remind me NEVER to have anything to do with Sun.
I'll bet the U.S. engineers are nervous as hell.
"Remind me NEVER to have anything to do with Sun."
Unfortunatly a lot of companies have no choice but to continue dealing with them for many good reasons. Permit just one example. Lattice Semiconductor uses their machines to do extremly heavy duty IC design simulations etc.. They have a lot of money tied up in those machines and all the software addons. If another UNIX/Linux platform cannot readily replace the Sun machines then they have no option but to continue upgrading a particular OPS developed by SUN. So as usual, things are not that simple.
Nah! No way! It is just greedy and corrupt cooperations screwing the little guy! It is greedy and corrupt politicians who refuse to take the burden off corporations by going to a welfare state! They would rather keep workers in poverty just so they can be rich and powerful! (Whoops! That really does describe Democrats doesn't it?)
Doesn't that pretty well mirror the stock market in general?
Have you ever had anything to do with Sun? If so, why would Sun making the best decision for itself not cause you to have even more confidence in them?
If they want cheap labor...they get cheap stock. Not too long until investors start to hear from their relatives..."My job was outsourced..."
It is better to outsource R&D and keep rest of the operations in-house.
Sun has been using programmers in Russia for years. At the time I heard about it, Sun was paying Russian programmers $25 per week.
Russian companies are advertising their offshore programming services on the Web. Rate: $10 per hour.
No, it does not. Here is the comparison (Market index in red):
No, it does not. Here is the comparison (Market index in red):
Hey, I get it!! :-)
if your kid kant do math + science, blame a democrat teecher.
Ahem *clears throat* bull$hit. They fired a bunch of their Solaris and Java developers not that long ago. They were American workers, and working on two of the most complex projects Sun has ever worked on. Funny that...
Could it be that the qualified workers here need too much money in comparison?
And why should an American spend 4 years pursuing a CS or CE degree so that they can work for a measely $5,000 a year? You did know that that's the average cost of an Indian CS student in India, right? Please, try living on one of their salaries here. I'd love to see you try.
Could it be that the cost of healthcare, retirement, and SS, here is so great that the cost of a U.S. worker is 30% - 50% higher here than abroad?
Do you really think that any first world worker is going to be cheaper than their third world counterpart? Why not just outsource to Russia and Romania where you can get a former rocket scientist to work for you for less than $10/hour.
Maybe if we protected corporations from shareholder lawsuits filed because a corporation prefers hiring Americans at a premium, we'd have it a little easier. Hey, we can say that they have no obligation to support American workers at all, and then American workers can say that they have no obligation to give a $hit about American companies.
And the leftist Republicans have been just as quick to make things worse too. They expanded the medicare program by $521B, added another $50B in farm subsidies and God only knows how much new money thanks to "No Child Left Behind" and other such bull$hit. Don't blame this soley on the Democrats because the Republicans deserve half the blame themselves, especially since they have had enough of a majority that they should have been able to push through some good deregulation packages.
Yes, let's deregulate and lower taxes, but don't give me this rubbish that the Democrats are the great Satan that brought this on us. Bush is to blame for the medicare package, Sarbanes-Oxley getting passed and other anti-business actions. The Republican majority under Clinton was squandered and all we got was a little bit of "welfare reform" which actually added some very draconian policies like the new policy that a man must contest a paternity claim within 30 days or he's responsible--even if it isn't his kid. God f$%^ing bless the Republicans for doing sooooo much to counter the Democrats. Why you'd think we were living under a one party state with two wings for show...
I don't want to form a programmers' union because that's counterproductive. The problem is that many businesses like Sun don't give a rat's ass about big government and in fact actually kinda like it. Sun, IBM and many others get to sell billions of dollars to big government in our country and it's a guaranteed market since government can be coerced into a vendors' hands more easily than most businesses. Even stronger IP laws make it easier for the giants to crush innovative startups and it's not exactly hard for the giants to absorb the costs of our welfare state. They're so big that they can take that damage and then be free of little companies crushed by it.
The only area that I personally don't want to see much deregulation on is the environment. Excuse me, but I think that people have a reasonable expectation that their land isn't going to be destroyed by toxic waste and acid rain. We can cut back on some of the tougher policies that serve little environmental good, but there is a good property rights case to be made for fairly strong environmental regulation.
Whether you want to recognize it or not the Democrat minority is making things quite difficult. I agree with you on some of the spending programs but I am not about to throw the baby out with the bath water. That means split the conservative vote so that we get even worse next time.
...but don't give me this rubbish that the Democrats are the great Satan that brought this on us.
You may call it rubbish but it is the truth, whether Bush recently added to it or not. What we have now in all the areas I mentioned came about through 40 years of Democrat control.
The Republican majority under Clinton was squandered ....
If this is not true, will it affect your opinion? Well, it is not true but I doubt that will bother you since you are on such a roll. The Republicans took over the House in 1994 but not the Senate. I would hardly call that Republican control. How can you squander something you don't have? That achieved a very narrow one vote majority in 2001 as part of the Bush election. That is hardly control considering the RHINOs from the Northeast.
...and all we got was a little bit of "welfare reform" which actually added some very draconian policies like the new policy that a man must contest a paternity claim within 30 days or he's responsible--even if it isn't his kid.
What is your problem with that? That makes the man responsible for the upkeep rather than the state. Isn't that a good thing or is it hitting too close to home?
God f$%^ing bless the Republicans for doing sooooo much to counter the Democrats. Why you'd think we were living under a one party state with two wings for show...
It seems to me that you and others are rather selective of the things you like and don't like.
The rest of your post sounds like a confused sophomore in one of our communists madrasses we call universities. Big business bad because it destroys the environment.
It would seem obvious to me that big business, plus the millions of small businesses, are what made this country the envy of the world. Why do liberals think that to be in favor of free enterprise is to be anti environment? We all want to protect the environment and none of us want complete deregulation. Human nature being what it is, we must prevent the big ones from eating the little ones. Unfortunately, while the left keeps us misdirected on business being the big bad wolf, the government is becoming the wolf.
Bush is doing the best he can with what he has to work with. The example you point out above about paternity and responsibility is a good example of the Devil being in the details. What seems to be concessions to the left on the surface are in fact stealth ways to undo the left. The large education bill did give us school accountability. Do the job or lose your federal government money. The unions raised Hell but they are having to now toe the line as they should have been doing all along. The Devil is in the details.
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