[ProudVet77]

Most people east of the Mississippi have no idea what is going west of it. Where are all of the major media outlets? East of the Mississippi. A truly representative main stream media.

[DoctorMichael]

The only thing I can conclude is that there is either some deal 'cut' with the Mexican government that nobody in Washington wants written down on paper or that Washington is acquiescing to some specific THREAT made by the Mexican government like, "We'll cut off all oil deliveries".

There is something going on here because the situtation is out of control and detrimental to the future health of this country.

~A Former Southern Californian

[backhoe]

Crosslinked:

For "Thunder on the Border," click this picture:

[Peanut Gallery]

ping

[blueberry12]

I think it was designed to be this way.

This supply of cheap laborers helps to keep the inflation down which we need desperately, because heavy gov spending encourages inflation. If these illegals were all professionals and trained people pouring into the US, then they would encourage inflation, but the fact that they are not makes the whole situation different. They actually help our economy (as long as they DO NOT CAUSE more gov spending).

[VOX9]

"...If, by magic, the Minutemen’s dreams were granted overnight — if the border were sealed and the estimated 11 million people living in this country illegally were deported — America would most likely be unrecognizable, and not in a good way. Crops would rot in the fields, bathrooms would stay dirty, mothers of small children would be stuck at home. America is addicted to cheap labor, and withdrawal is beyond contemplation...."

As long as people believe this bullcrap, illegal immigration will continue and current illegals will not be deported. In reality, as the cheap labor market shrinks, pay will go up and the unemployed LEGAL workers will take the jobs and benefit from the increased pay. When we no longer have to pay for free medical care, education and incarceration of illegals, our expenses (and crime) will go down. What doesn't wash we can handle, and our borders will be protected.

[primeval patriot]

Crops would rot in the fields, bathrooms would stay dirty, mothers of small children would be stuck at home.

Oh dear. Another gloom and doomer.

So we enforce the rule of law and catastrophe is surely right around the corner?

I think I'm gonna hurl.

[patton]

The article has internal logical inconsistencies - a sure sign of liberal thinking...

[hosepipe]

[ Illegals flow into Arizona ]

All orchestrated by the Mexican gov't, ugh.. drug cartels.. ugh .. democracy.. ugh.. Mob Rule..

[AEMILIUS PAULUS]

The Arizona Revised Statutes may give a hint as to what to do:

"26-122. Components of militia A. The militia is divided into the national guard of Arizona, the state guard when organized, and the unorganized militia. B. The national guard consists of commissioned officers, warrant officers, enlisted personnel, organizations, staffs, corps and departments of the federally recognized and regularly commissioned, warranted and enlisted militia of the state, organized and maintained pursuant to law, and all members thereof honorably retired by age or disability. C. The numerical strength, composition, distribution, organization, arms, uniforms, equipment, training and discipline of the federally recognized national guard shall be prescribed by the governor in conformity with the allocation of units to the state by the department of the army and the department of the air force of the United States. D. The inactive national guard consists of commissioned, warranted and enlisted personnel relieved from assignment to the national guard by the adjutant general, or at their own request, under regulations prescribed by the department of national defense of the United States, and not reassigned to another component of the armed forces of the United States. E. The unorganized militia consists of members of the militia not members of the national guard or state guard when organized. 26-124. Service by members of unorganized militia; volunteers during emergency; enrollment; selection; organizing selectees A. When the governor proclaims an emergency, and, upon advice of the adjutant general, determines that the national guard does not have sufficient troops to meet the emergency, the governor may authorize the adjutant general to accept for service from the unorganized militia a specified number of volunteers. B. If the governor deems an emergency of a nature that all or a large portion of the unorganized militia should be called into service of the state, he shall by proclamation order all members of the unorganized militia to enroll with the county recorder of the county in which they reside. The enrollment shall be in triplicate stating the full name, residence, age, occupation and previous service of each person enrolled. The rolls shall be verified by the enrolling officer who shall retain one copy and file one copy with the adjutant general and one with the clerk of the superior court of the county in which the person is enrolled. The persons called into service shall be determined by lot in accordance with a plan devised by the governor and implemented by him. The plan shall be patterned upon the latest selective service act of the United States and executive orders of the president issued to implement the law. C. Upon mobilization for state purposes members of the unorganized militia shall be organized under the command of the officer the governor designates into units comparable to units of the national guard."

[Baraonda]

And it will soon become a tidal wave to eventually turn into a tsunami.

This open border lunacy has got to stop or we're finished as a sovereign nation. Good bye America. Good bye Western Christian culture. Hello undesirable alien cultures!

[mercy]

Nothing is going to change. Cheap labor is the foundation of our economy. The socialistic economy we have built depends on a certain growth rate in population as well. Since we don't have enough babies we need the immigrants. Somebody has to pay for my social security checks.

This is just the way it is. As I've said many times before ... work at stoping all wellfare and build more prisons as we force these hispanics to become adapted honest Americans because keeping them out is not really an option.

Yes it's a crappy situation but reversing it is absolutely impossible.

[bvw]

This:

The United States, on the other hand, is rich and needs workers who will take jobs Americans don’t want, for lower wages than Americans will accept. (Try this thought experiment: Imagine suggesting that your teen-ager take a summer job picking melons for 12 hours a day in California.) If, by magic, the Minutemen’s dreams were granted overnight — if the border were sealed and the estimated 11 million people living in this country illegally were deported — America would most likely be unrecognizable, and not in a good way. Crops would rot in the fields, bathrooms would stay dirty, mothers of small children would be stuck at home. America is addicted to cheap labor, and withdrawal is beyond contemplation.

... is the most rank, murky and still fuming Bovine Excrement.

A total lie. A complete delusion.

The thought experiment suggests that there aren't American teenagers already working 12 hour days in hard jobs -- there are, there always have been, and will be. The awful propagandist's trick employed in such a bald lie of a suggestion is that many readers wouldn't themselves have their own children in such postion and are loathe to imagine it -- yet it is the case that American teenagers are as hard-working as any illegal!

Nor would fruit or produce rot in the field -- I remember nearly fifty years ago hearing the same argument for providing cheap farm labor. Back when we had far less illegals. In the ebb and flow since not one crop has so rotted. Farmers are quick to adjust and new technology is rarely adopted when labor is so cheap. We would likely improve our yields if we removed the incentive to not improve manual harvest techniques.

There are NO jobs Americans will not do.

[JarheadFromFlorida]

http://newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/5/5/121134.shtml


Mexicans Still Think They Own the U.S.

Jim Meyers, NewsMax.com

Friday, May 6, 2005

Many Hispanic activists, Mexican citizens and perhaps even members of the Mexican government believe the American Southwest rightfully belongs to Mexico.

They refuse to accept the legality of the U.S. annexation of Texas in 1845, the 1848 Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo following the Mexican-American War, which gave large parts of Mexico to the U.S., or the 1852 Gadsden Purchase of Mexican territory now in Arizona and New Mexico. A Zogby poll found that 58 percent of Mexicans agreed with the statement, "The territory of the Southwest U.S. rightfully belongs to Mexico," and therefore they believe they don't need permission to enter.
In 1997, then-Mexican President Ernesto Zedillo told the National Council of La Raza in Chicago: "I have proudly affirmed that the Mexican nation extends beyond the territory enclosed by its borders."

And current President Vincente Fox "repeated this line during a 2001 visit to the U.S., when he called for open borders and endorsed Mexico's new dual citizenship law," according to Investor's Business Daily.

Activist Charles Trujillo, a professor at the University of New Mexico, predicts that a new Hispanic nation will be formed within this century, encompassing much of the American Southwest and part of northern Mexico.

He says U.S. states have the right to secede under our original Articles of Confederation, and this will occur in the future when several Southwest states have Hispanic majorities.

The Hispanic student activist group MECHa (a Spanish acronym for Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan) claims that Texas, California, Arizona, New Mexico and southern Colorado were stolen by the U.S. and should be returned to the people of Mexico, under the name "Nation of Aztlan."

Aztlan is the mythical original home of the Aztec people.

Some Californians seem to think that Los Angeles has already been "returned" to the Mexican people. As NewsMax.com reported in April, billboards touting a Spanish-language TV news program showed two newscasters in front of the L.A. skyline, with "Los Angeles, Mexico" printed above.

The billboards angered groups fighting illegal immigration. Stuart Fischoff, who teaches media psychology at California State-Los Angeles, told the L.A. Times: "The joke here is, ‘We're taking back California.' Underneath the joke is part of the truth."

[McGavin999]

I suggest we start buying one way tickets for Washington DC and handing them out as the people cross the border.