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| 6 May, 2005
Posted on 05/06/2005 5:14:29 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: BurbankKarl
How sad. As of 1500, Lithuania was in confederation with Poland and ruled from the Baltic to the Black Sea. The Lithuanian - Polish confederation, along with the Holy Roman Empire, stood as a Western bulwark against the Turks and Russians. Quite literally, at its eastern flank, Western civilization has retreated hundreds of miles since the late 1600s. And the growing influences of Islam and Russian megalomania, threaten the remnent.
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posted on
05/09/2005 11:16:53 AM PDT
by
GOP_1900AD
(Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
To: Tailgunner Joe
The Russkies can cry all they want about the Nazis and state that they battled them etc etc but the sad fact is that for two years they were ALLIES
carved up Poland and raped it nicely during and AFTER the second world war.
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posted on
05/09/2005 11:19:33 AM PDT
by
DM1
To: RussianBoor
"And what would you think? You and other former people of the USSR were active participants of all communist atrocities and now all of you are shining and innocent new democracies and Russians are the only villains who should apologize for everything since Kievan Rus?"
At least you are not predictable.
In any case , your proposition is logically impossible since as late as 1947, the Kremlin was committing famine genocide (again) in Ukraine to the extent of approx 1.2 million. Certainly, Ukrainians or any other nation are not capable of committing genocide against themselves.
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posted on
05/09/2005 4:28:07 PM PDT
by
spanalot
To: spanalot
This discussion is becoming repetitive. We have talked already about this so-called "genocide". Read the definition of genocide somewhere. The Kremlin was guilty by murdering people, yes, but by their class affiliation rather than their nationality. It is NOT genocide because people of all nationalities have perished in this famine as well as other famines.
My proposition is very much justified logically and otherwise. There were many Ukrainians among the Gulag guards as well as the victims. The same applies to Russians, any nationality of the former USSR. In 1930-s there were many Latvians among NKVD leadership. The same NKVD was responsible for Soviet repression in Latvia in 1939-1940 and after the war.
Please do not misunderstand me. I do not say that Russians are all saints and Ukrainians are villains. Neither do I say that Ukrainians are saints and Russians are villains. All the murderers as well as all the victims have names. And while Ukrainians blame all Russians regardless of their role in these events the evil goes unpunished and can one day come again. By blaming Communist atrocities on Russians you in fact exonerate the Communism and Communist crimes and allow this evil to survive. If you do not diagnose the illness correctly you cannot cure it. If you cannot identify the evil the evil will prevail. Think about it.
To: Tailgunner Joe
That's a nice-looking chick on the left.
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posted on
05/10/2005 7:31:20 AM PDT
by
Pyro7480
("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
To: Tailgunner Joe
Are those the chicks from tATu?
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posted on
05/10/2005 7:34:36 AM PDT
by
dfwgator
(Minutemen: Just doing the jobs that American politicians won't do.)
To: RussianBoor
Read the definition of genocide somewhere. The Kremlin was guilty by murdering people, yes, but by their class affiliation rather than their nationality. It is NOT genocide because people of all nationalities have perished in this famine as well as other famines. Yes, you can commit mass murder, just make sure the people you murder are the same race as you.
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posted on
05/10/2005 7:36:03 AM PDT
by
dfwgator
(Minutemen: Just doing the jobs that American politicians won't do.)
To: dfwgator
First of all, I personally have not committed any crimes against anybody. Next, murder and rape are both sordid crimes punishable by law. However, you do not punish a murderer for rape, and for a good reason. Arbitrary use of law does not prevent further crimes.
To: RussianBoor
"Next, murder and rape are both sordid crimes punishable by law"
Good - then we are happy that you will applaud when the first Communist is brought to trial for crimes against humanity.
Although you might be dipleased that all their paychecks were issued by the Kremlin.
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posted on
05/10/2005 6:13:04 PM PDT
by
spanalot
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