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FAQ: How Real ID will affect you
CNET/News.com ^ | 6 May 2005 | Declan McCullagh

Posted on 05/06/2005 1:40:25 PM PDT by af_vet_rr

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"REFUSE THE NATIONAL I.D. CARD!"
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The drivers license (semantic deception for internal passport) legislation (H.R. 418), which passed the Congress and is on its way for passage in the Senate, is more serious than one may think due to the fact it was designed by two ex-KGB Chiefs, one of whom,Yvgeny Primakov, was the President of totalitarian Russia in the late nineties. (The merger of the KGB and the FBI has been in the works since 1985 when President Reagan signed numerous agreements with Gorbachev, one of which was the infamous education agreement which merged our two education systems. Another agreement was signed between the Soviet Police and New York City Police which allowed Soviet policmen to assist in the arrest of fare beaters in the New York City subway system.These activities, unknown to most Americans, represent just the tip of the U.S.-Soviet exchange agreements iceberg. )

TIME magazine, 7/5/93, in an article entitled "A New World for Spies", illustrates the extent of the partnership between the United States and Russia. It states: "The Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, D\Concini, and CIA Director Woolsey, met with Yvgeny Primakov, head of the Russian Foreign Intelligence service (KGB), over a period of several days. Members of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees were present. Woolsey and Primakov discussed how their organizations can cooperate and share information on worldwide threats, such as terrorism, the spread of weapons of mass destruction, and drug trafficking. Former head of the CIA Gates visited Moscow in October, 1993. Yuri Kobaladze, chief spokesman of the Russian Intelligence Service, is quoted in this same article as saying 'We are partners now." This same article continues as follows: "Were he still alive, James Jesus Angleton, the CIA's consummmate cold war spook, would have launched a full-scale internal investigation condemning a conversation of any substance between Primakov, a long time Kremlin Middle East expert and Woolsey, as treasonous."

Don't forget this same criminal , Primakov, was in Baghdad two weeks prior to our invasion of Iraq, advising Saddam Hussein on how to deal with the Americans! And the Bush Administration's Office of Homeland Security invited Primakov and Karpov to help in the design of the internal passport (drivers license) for Americans, which was approved by the U.S. Congress Wednesday, Februar 9.

There is one issue which is forbidden for discussion by traditional conservative writers, neoconservatives writers, establishment (Council on Foreign Relations) writers, and the TV and radio media. It is the merger between the United States and Russia (former Soviet Union which never collapsed) as the primary pillar of Leninist world government. These controlled writers are allowed to talk about everything else, including the unconstitutional United Nations, but not about the merger which is taking place in front of our eyes, and not just between the USA and Soviets, but between the USA and China as well. The Soviets and Chinese have joined together formally and have submitted joint agreements to the United Nations in which they spell out in detail their plans to lead the forthcoming communist world government which is being assembled as I write. The European Union (region) is the model for the rest of the world as it becomes regionalized (communized). Gorbachev referred to the European Union as The New European Soviet in a speech in London in 2002. President Bush is implementing The New American Soviet in this hemisphere. The new drivers license (internal passport) will extend throughout this hemisphere.

Yes, folks, what is going on now, supported by both Republican and Democrat leadership, has been going on ever since President Eisenhower signed the first agreements with the Soviets in 1958, at the peak of the Cold War. This unconstitutional planning for a communist world government is, as Angleton would have said, 'TREASONOUS'. Everything going on in this regard was discussed during the 1953 Reece Committee's Congressional investigation of the tax-exempt foundations. The Research Director, Norman Dodd, was told by the President of the Ford Foundation, Rowan Gaither, that the foundations received their instructions on how to spend their money from the White House. Those instructions were to use their money to change America so it could be comfortably merged with the Soviet Union. Ask yourselves why this issue has not being dealt with and why very few, if any, conservative writers ever deal with this issue. Because the leadership of the Republican and Democrat parties, the leadership of the national conservative organizations, with a very few notable exceptions, and the conservative media are involved in furthering the merger.

In my opinion, there is only one book, " Perestroika Deception...The World's Slide Towards The Second October Revolution", by Anatoliy Golitsyn, who defected from the former Soviet Union in 1961. Golitsyn, who also wrote "New Lies for Oldl", in his latest book explains exactly what is going on in the world, and how and why all of us, including the rest of the world, are in a fast fall toward world communism. In the late fifties Anatoliy Golitsyn, a Soviet official, sat in on high level meetings in the Kremlin during which the grand deception of the West was planned. This deception, which included the planned phoney demise of communism, succeeded in hoodwinking Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and President Ronald Reagan, resulting in their enthusiastically endorsing Gorbachev's Perestroika. It was Golitsyn who provided sensitive documents, over many years, to the CIA warning it of the merger I am discussing in this article. It was Golitsyn who warned President Reagan not to attend his scheduled visit to Moscow in 1988. James Angleton, the Director of CIA's Counter Intelligence was one of the few CIA agents, who believed Golitsyn. In dedicating his book to Angleton, Golitsyn said: "In Memory of Jim Angleton, Founder and outstanding chief of the Central Intelligence Agency's Counter-intelligence, a man of vision and courage, a warrior and comrade-in-arms, who recognised the dangers of the Soviets' new strategic challenge".

In his book "Wedge: The Secret War between the FBI and CIA", Alfred A. Knopf, New York, 1994, Mark Riebling, who carried out a methodical analysis of Golitsyn's predictions in "New Lies for Old", credited Golitsyn with "an accuracy record of nearly 94%" in his predictions, some years ahead of the events, of the phoney "break with the Past" which took place in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union in 1989-1991. One can buy Golitsyn's "Perestroika Deception" by going to my website and clicking on home page "Other Orders". www.deliberatedumbingdown.com

If Americans do not have the information in Golitsyn's important book, and continue to focus EXCLUSIVELY on other issues, important as they may be, such as tragic Tsunamis, the Ukrainian elections, dumbed down education, gun controls, abortion,property rights, disarmament, the Constitution, 9/11, etc., they are playing directly into the hands of the Insiders, who are cooperating with the Russians and Chinese, who count on Americans to remain unaware of the real agenda , the planned merger of the United States of America with the Soviet Union and Communist China.

Once the United States is down, under a totalitarian world communist government, with our Constitution a thing of the past, do we really believe we will be able to stop abortion, euthanasia, mental health screening, etc., that we will be able to get rid of the internal passport, or that we will be able to reclaim any of our other freedoms formerly guaranteed by the Bill of Rights?

There is a solution to this vitally important problem. Hopefully, some day in the future, our children and grandchildren will look back on February 9, 2005 the day our Congress passed the infamous H.R. 418, as the day which triggered the movement to take our country back. Should the U.S. Senate pass H.R. 418's companion legislation, all Americans, when they have to renew their drivers licenses, should refuse to accept this drivers license which is nothing more nor less than an internal passport similar to those required in totalitarian countries.

All Americans, who cherish their freedoms guaranteed under The Bill of Rights, MUST refuse to accept this totalitarian identification card which will contain information, lifelong, on all aspects of our persons, what we have written, associations, and actions, past, present and future, and which will be used to identify and penalize those who disagree with government policies.

Let's turn H.R. 418 into the vehicle by which we can reverse our nation's march toward totalitarian dictatorship under world government. May God bless all Americans who understand the severity of this issue. May they have the courage to stand firm in the face of this latest evil and others which are sure to come if we do not take a stand...NOW.


21 posted on 05/06/2005 2:43:01 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (How soon will the U.S.A. be U.S.S.A.?)
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To: af_vet_rr

These will function as internal passports, and you won't be able to travel on inter-city/interstate public transportation without having it swiped.


22 posted on 05/06/2005 2:44:26 PM PDT by snowsislander
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To: af_vet_rr

In other news - there's been an increase in laminated paper in Mexico.


23 posted on 05/06/2005 2:48:46 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: Integrityrocks
I'm not on the "mark of the beast" band wagon, but I sure as heck don't like it.

The hell of it is, if our government did its job on immigration, we could be a little more relaxed internally. Current policy is like leaving a wound open and unwashed while treating the patient with high-dose antibiotics.

24 posted on 05/06/2005 2:51:46 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: af_vet_rr

this will effect underage drinking everywhere.


25 posted on 05/06/2005 2:52:30 PM PDT by stylecouncilor
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To: PaxMacian

A seven-headed beast with ten horns . . . or maybe it has eight heads.

Do some of the heads double up on horns, or are there hornless heads?


26 posted on 05/06/2005 2:53:41 PM PDT by Xenalyte (I am at Dr. Venture's lab to right that which is wrong and to repair the torn curtain of time itself)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

"The hell of it is, if our government did its job on immigration, we could be a little more relaxed internally"


And yet I've seen stories where certain Repubs have questioned whether or not Tancredo really belongs in this party because of his firm stance on this very issue. Makes you think.....


27 posted on 05/06/2005 2:54:59 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (How soon will the U.S.A. be U.S.S.A.?)
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To: Stellar Dendrite
Looks like it will take effect in May 08, if Hitlery wins I don't know wtf I will do.

You don't honestly expect anybody to believe that the Honorable Mrs. Clinton would misuse a national databse do you? Shame on you.

28 posted on 05/06/2005 2:57:41 PM PDT by umgud (FR, NASCAR, NRA, GOP)
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To: umgud

Why no, of course not. She just took those 900 FBI files to get to know her "friends" better.


29 posted on 05/06/2005 2:59:22 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (How soon will the U.S.A. be U.S.S.A.?)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

OK, I'll quit joking. She would grow this DB exponentially and use it liberally.


30 posted on 05/06/2005 3:01:34 PM PDT by umgud (FR, NASCAR, NRA, GOP)
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To: af_vet_rr

I am elated that we will finally have a single drivers license, or a national passport or something ... it is so stupid for people to run around thinking that the 'sky is falling' because of this.

bring it on ... hope it speads up getting on an airplane and further closes the borders from illegal aliens, and keeps meddling state politicians from playing with the drivers license for illegal nonsense.


31 posted on 05/06/2005 3:06:01 PM PDT by AgThorn (Bush is my president, but he needs to protect our borders. FIRST, before any talk of "Amnesty.")
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"I am elated that we will finally have a single drivers license, or a national passport or something"

Do you not want your federal government Congresspersons to abide by their oath of office to "uphold the Constitution?"

What enumerated power, listed in Article I, Section 8 did Congress use to pass this legislation?

32 posted on 05/06/2005 3:14:25 PM PDT by tahiti
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To: tahiti
Try the first one:

Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

A National ID is definitely 'uniform' and definitely 'provides for the common defense and general welfare of the US'

33 posted on 05/06/2005 3:19:06 PM PDT by AgThorn (Bush is my president, but he needs to protect our borders. FIRST, before any talk of "Amnesty.")
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To: af_vet_rr

Sooo....

Me having a government issued card that proves I am who I say I am is a violation of my rights?

Wow, who knew?

I can tell some people on here have never applied for a security clearance.


34 posted on 05/06/2005 3:26:35 PM PDT by L98Fiero
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To: L98Fiero

Deine papieren, bitte.


35 posted on 05/06/2005 3:47:51 PM PDT by Old Dirty Bastiat
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To: AgThorn
"A National ID is definitely 'uniform'

But the clause states, "but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"

A national ID card is not a "Duties, Imposts and Excises."

The stated purpose for the Real ID Act is to prove citizenship to collect federal benefits and to preent illegal immigrants from getting a state driver's license.

So, that debunks the "common Defence" justification.

As to the "general Welfare of the United States" as being a potential "proper" enumerated power for the Real ID Act, the law still has to be "necessary" to be constitutional.

Since Congress has not properly exercised their Constitutional obligation, as stated in, Article I, Section 8, Clause Clause 15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;, then the U.S. v. Playboy Entertainment mandate to use the less restrictive method denying or disparaging liberties must be taken first and proved ineffective before a more restrictive method of denying or disparaging liberties can be initiated.

The law is unconstitutional.

36 posted on 05/06/2005 3:54:17 PM PDT by tahiti
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To: AgThorn

A National ID is definitely 'uniform' and definitely 'provides for the common defense and general welfare of socialist dictatorships such as Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.' In fact, the National ID system in North Korea is working so well we should just import their system without any modifications. They certainly don't have an illegal immigration problem there.


37 posted on 05/06/2005 3:59:28 PM PDT by Old Dirty Bastiat
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To: tahiti
"A National ID is definitely 'uniform'
But the clause states, "but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"

A national ID card is not a "Duties, Imposts and Excises."

Sorry, but although an "impost" usually means something monetary it is not restricted to that. It simply means 'something that is imposed'.

The stated purpose for the Real ID Act is to prove citizenship to collect federal benefits and to preent illegal immigrants from getting a state driver's license.

So, that debunks the "common Defence" justification.

On the contrary, preventing illegal immigrants from getting a state drivers license before 9/11 would have saved 3000 lives. You have NOT made your case that there is not a 'common defense' arguement here.

As to the "general Welfare of the United States" as being a potential "proper" enumerated power for the Real ID Act, the law still has to be "necessary" to be constitutional.

With more and more states attempting to make drivers licenses legal for illegal's, and the drivers license being the only ID this country requires domestically, these two facts alone made the national drivers license necessary.

Sorry, Judge finds for the Plaintiff ... next case.

38 posted on 05/06/2005 4:07:54 PM PDT by AgThorn (Bush is my president, but he needs to protect our borders. FIRST, before any talk of "Amnesty.")
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To: af_vet_rr
only three Republicans voted against this idea

Reps. Howard Coble of North Carolina, John Duncan of Tennessee, and Ron Paul of Texas.

Well, at least not everyone inside the beltway is a treasonous SOB.

39 posted on 05/06/2005 4:09:14 PM PDT by Freebird Forever
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To: Old Dirty Bastiat
A National ID is definitely 'uniform' and definitely 'provides for the common defense and general welfare of socialist dictatorships such as Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.' In fact, the National ID system in North Korea is working so well we should just import their system without any modifications. They certainly don't have an illegal immigration problem there.

Funny how you choose to leave out all other countries in Europe that have a single drivers license ... oops! doesn't help your conspiracy theory to refer to France, Germany today, Japan, South Korea, England, etc. so let's just list the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany and North Korea ...

great scare tactics ... those countries would be proud of you! you are effecting the less informed with fear, uncertainly and doubt ... don't cloud your arguments with any facts now!! ;-)

40 posted on 05/06/2005 4:10:49 PM PDT by AgThorn (Bush is my president, but he needs to protect our borders. FIRST, before any talk of "Amnesty.")
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