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To: Campion
ancient—and unbiblical—teaching that the church has temporal authority over the state.

Yes, I caught that, too. He forgets that Jesus told us to render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's - that is, the parts of our lives legitimately owed to the state. But our conscience and our duty before God to adhere to and defend the truth are not things that belong to Caesar.

I do think that the writer was aware of the difference in the Catholic attitude, even though he misunderstood it. This is because for many evangelicals, obeying secular law is synonymous with being a good Christian. But for Catholics, this has never been the case, and the Church has often been in conflict with the State. Today, btw, the Spanish Bishops' Conference reminded Catholic legislators that they may NOT vote for that law (which is still awaiting approval by the Spanish Senate, sometime next week or so). They didn't say what would happen to them if they did, however.

23 posted on 05/06/2005 1:40:51 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius
But for Catholics, this has never been the case, and the Church has often been in conflict with the State.

I just read where Chinese priests are being subjected to "reprogramming" for not conforming to Chinese law regarding allegiance to the state.

141 posted on 05/06/2005 4:06:15 PM PDT by oldbrowser (You lost the election.....get over it.)
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To: livius; BlackElk; Desdemona
They didn't say what would happen to them if they did, however.

This is irresistable...

Dum deedle deedle deedle dum da-la-la (repeat)

Super-Cali-Fragilistic EX-COMM-U-NI-CA-TED!

When you are a heretic like little Fr. Reese was,

Then you find that Rome will put its special case of freeze-es

On your resume, and then you'll find that you-r cheese is,Dum deedle deedle deedle dum da-la-la (repeat)

207 posted on 05/06/2005 7:25:56 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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