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Albedo (not libido) is large global warming uncertainty
SpaceRef ^ | May 5, 2005 | University of Washington

Posted on 05/06/2005 11:19:34 AM PDT by cogitator

Earth's reflectivity a great unknown in gauging climate change impacts

Earth's climate is being changed substantially by a buildup of atmospheric greenhouse gases, but a group of leading climate scientists contends the overall impact is not understood as well as it should be because data are too scarce on how much energy the planet reflects into space.

Reflectivity, or albedo, is largely governed by clouds and atmospheric particles called aerosols, but it is one of Earth's least-understood properties, said Robert Charlson, a University of Washington atmospheric scientist. Yet research aimed at quantifying the effects of albedo and helping scientists understand how it could affect future climate change has been delayed or shelved altogether.

"The attention being paid to the greenhouse effect is warranted. But the changes to the energy budget of this planet don't just involve the enhanced greenhouse effect. They also involve aerosols and clouds," Charlson said.

"If we don't understand the albedo-related effects, that is aerosols and clouds, then we can't understand the effects of greenhouse gases."

The Earth's albedo was first measured in the 1920s by astronomers who monitored "Earthshine" on the dark side of the moon and made comparisons to the sunlit side of the moon. But methods to measure albedo have varied greatly, as has confidence in the accuracy of the results. That means albedo still is "the big unknown" in climate research, Charlson said, though it makes up half the equation for understanding the planet's energy budget.

Charlson is lead author of a Perspectives article in the May 7 edition of the journal Science that calls for restoration of albedo research projects. Co-authors are Francisco P.J. Valero at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography at the University of California, San Diego, and John H. Seinfeld at the California Institute of Technology division of chemistry and chemical engineering.

Valero is the lead scientist on a project called Deep Space Climate Observatory, designed to place a satellite in orbit around the sun about 1 million miles from Earth. At that point, the planet's gravitational pull on the satellite and the sun's combine to allow the satellite to orbit the sun in the same time as Earth does, and thus have its advanced albedo sensors aimed at Earth's sunlit side all the time. That satellite was to have been launched aboard the space shuttle by December 2000 but is awaiting a new launch date.

[This used to be Triana, Al Gore's pet satellite.]

Two other satellites designed to study different aspects of clouds and aerosols, including a project in which Charlson has been centrally involved, have been built and have been scheduled for launch. However, recent budget cuts within the National Aeronautics and Space Administration will greatly limit the analysis and interpretation of the data they collect, the authors contend.

Budget cuts also have affected the Earth Radiation Budget Satellite, leaving unanalyzed a large share of data it collected between 2000 and 2004, they said.

These are not small issues, Charlson said. Scientists understand to within 10 percent the impact of human activity on the production of greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide and methane, he said, but the understanding of human impact on the planet's reflectivity could be off by as much as 100 percent.

Some people have argued that a buildup of atmospheric aerosols that reflect heat away from Earth is a welcome development that will help offset greenhouse warming. But Charlson called that "a spurious argument, a red herring."

"The greenhouse gases work 24 hours a day," he said. "They are out there, all over the world, changing the energy budget of the planet all day and all night, every day. Albedo is only active during the day."

He noted that greenhouse gases can stay in the atmosphere for centuries even if no more are added, but aerosols last only about a week after they are emitted.

"There is no simplistic balance between these two effects," Charlson said. "It isn't heating versus cooling. It's scientific understanding versus not understanding."

For more information, contact Charlson at 206-543-2537 or charlson@chem.washington.edu; or Valero at 858-534-2701 or fvalero@ucsd.edu; or Seinfeld at 626-395-4635 or seinfeld@caltech.edu


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KEYWORDS: cary; change; climate; climatechange; clouds; earth; gases; global; greenhouse; ice; reflectivity; snow; warming
As long as there's a garbage in factor in the models, the results are, well...
1 posted on 05/06/2005 11:19:36 AM PDT by cogitator
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>>>>"If we don't understand the albedo-related effects, that is aerosols and clouds, then we can't understand the effects of greenhouse gases."

Nature magazine is reporting that the reduced level of aerosols in the air will lead to more global warming. Wouldn't this coincidentally support Charlson's hypothesis regarding SO2?

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2 posted on 05/06/2005 11:26:03 AM PDT by .cnI redruM ("The trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."-PM Thatcher)
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Nature magazine is reporting that the reduced level of aerosols in the air will lead to more global warming. Wouldn't this coincidentally support Charlson's hypothesis regarding SO2?

Intuitively (not analytically) speaking, I think you're right.

3 posted on 05/06/2005 11:27:44 AM PDT by cogitator
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Actually, it's ALGordo.......


4 posted on 05/06/2005 11:28:35 AM PDT by Red Badger (Those whom the gods would destroy, they first make liberal.....................)
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Although, Nature's article also coincidentally supports the hypothesis that our planet would be a little warmer if we weren't living on it and emitting aerosol particles as a result of controlled combustion.


5 posted on 05/06/2005 11:29:25 AM PDT by .cnI redruM ("The trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."-PM Thatcher)
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No shit!

As a professional meteorologist at the Atmospheric Sciences Laboratory, this was always the major topic of debate.

Do clouds increase or lower the temperature on Earth?

Nobody has any accurate data that can support one side or the offer.

The climatic computer models are invalid, until this most fundamental issue can be resolved.

6 posted on 05/06/2005 11:33:04 AM PDT by Hunble
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Nature's article also coincidentally supports the hypothesis that our planet would be a little warmer if we weren't living on it and emitting aerosol particles as a result of controlled combustion.

I'll have to read that article (I've only read the summaries). The slight cooling of the 1970s has been attributed primarily to sulfur aerosols, which were subsequently reduced (in the U.S.) due to acid rain concerns. It has been noted that cleaning up the SO2 aerosols did contribute to global warming.

7 posted on 05/06/2005 11:34:34 AM PDT by cogitator
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All science is really a bunch of educated guesses that scientists attempt to validiate through testing the theories.

There's always going to be some "garbage factor".

The problem with global warming studies, is that it's easy to show the models they are using can't accurately perdict the climate even in a general sense.

Basically, they are almost all garbage, with too little supporting fact to be credible.

We also cannot disprove the global warming theories, because we can't accurately model the global weather and make projections with any validity of what it will be like even a few years from now.

Just like when man didn't know what the stars were, we came up with stories and superstisions. Historically, few of those superstisions have turned out to be factual.

Accurately modeling what the climate will be like in decades from now is considerably beyond our current capabilities.


8 posted on 05/06/2005 11:48:54 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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Al Bedo?

I know that guy!

He owes me money!
9 posted on 05/06/2005 11:51:06 AM PDT by Francis McClobber
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One point no one ever discusses in global warming is the heat source itself...funny when you look at solar activity versus the earth's temperature there is practically a one-to-one correlation! Duh!


10 posted on 05/06/2005 12:05:49 PM PDT by wxflyer
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To: Francis McClobber

Alfredo certainly warms my tummy.


11 posted on 05/06/2005 12:20:12 PM PDT by Lee Heggy (Sorry, I don't do Windows.)
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12 posted on 05/06/2005 12:30:01 PM PDT by Disambiguator (This tagline should only be taken under the advice of your doctor.)
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"The greenhouse gases work 24 hours a day," he said. "They are out there, all over the world, changing the energy budget of the planet all day and all night, every day. Albedo is only active during the day."

It seems nobody told him it's always day on half the planet.

13 posted on 05/06/2005 12:31:57 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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ever-so-sligthly more than half, actually.


14 posted on 05/06/2005 12:37:00 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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Didn't SimEarth have an scenario for this? Called "DaisyWorld" or something?


15 posted on 05/06/2005 3:46:49 PM PDT by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
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Have they considered the amount of water produced by the combustion of fossil fuels and how this extra water vapor might factor in to the reflectivity equation (it cant be much but the natural byproducts of complete combustion in a gasoline engine are C02 and H20)? How about the amount of heat generated by the combustion of fossil fuels (which would have a far greater impact on temperatures)? Not to mention the roughly 55000 BTU's the human body produces each day.All that heats going somewhere...
The entire human populaton alone exhales roughly 11 billion lbs of C02 each day not to mention the rest of the mammals plus all the methane they produce.
Seems the only way to stop GW is the complete eradication of the species homo sapiens. /sarcasm
Do the scientists have any idea how much C02 the average tree consumes in a day?
Nothing warms the earth like a bright sunny day!
16 posted on 05/06/2005 4:19:14 PM PDT by Pipeline (The lessons can be harsh. All are repeated until learned.)
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