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EMAIL MOMENTS AGO FROM FAIR. FYI UPDATE.
1 posted on 05/05/2005 3:48:27 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: fight_truth_decay

What about BORDER security (both S and N)?!!! Or is this just more BIG Federal Govt BS!!!!!!!!


2 posted on 05/05/2005 3:50:14 PM PDT by zzen01
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To: fight_truth_decay

Meet my friends: Hoo and Ray.


4 posted on 05/05/2005 3:56:05 PM PDT by Socratic (Ignorant and free? It's not to be. - T. Jefferson (paraphrase))
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To: fight_truth_decay
Roll Call Vote

Predictably me Rep voted nyet.

9 posted on 05/05/2005 4:04:15 PM PDT by byteback
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This scares me a little. Please let me explain why before flaming me. (Please note, I stated it 'scares me'; not that I strongly oppose this).

1.) 4 Forms of ID are a little hard to get. Birth Certificate, Social Security Card, Passport and what else? A Library Card?? Visa card?

2.) It starts with a Birth Certificate; which can be forged or received from a deceased infant. Births and Deaths are not handled by the same department in every locality. From there we simply start creating a false record, applying for a Social Security card, then a passport, and finally the driver's license.

3.) Drivers Licences are not impossible to forge. One could argue that they are relatively easy to forge; and yes, they are sold in the streets in Mexico.

4.) What are we trying to accomplish here? We have open borders, police are not allowed to even ask if you are here legally.

5.) Instead of making the driver's licence more difficult to forge by adding biometrics, DNA or other information; we have been forced to stick with plastic and a photo.

Thus, other than inconveniencing the population at large; this appears to be a lot of wasted effort.


10 posted on 05/05/2005 4:07:43 PM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, come Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: fight_truth_decay
Maybe someone that has read the legislation can provide a better summary. From what I read above I'm not impressed.

Some concessions were made allowing states to issue "driving certificates" that do not meet the national requirements, but they would not be valid for official purposes.

Sounds like a grey area without much difference. Kind of like the debate over civil ceremonies and marriage. All this will do is strengthen the authority of these "driving certificates" proving one step closer to handing out a license to an illegal.

The rest doesn't impress, but As licenses were meant to be the primary issue I see no cause for celebration.

11 posted on 05/05/2005 4:21:28 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: fight_truth_decay; Howlin; Timesink; Utah Girl; hosepipe; backhoe; FITZ; Happy2BMe; ...

BUMPs


12 posted on 05/05/2005 4:28:12 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: fight_truth_decay
Part of this is national ID legislation, national driving history legislation (insurance companies will like that) passed without any little if any public comment.

Many states simply don't have the money to help build this huge electronic database.

Once again, a grossly underfunded mandate is being put upon the states by the federal government.

13 posted on 05/05/2005 4:31:24 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (You must respect my a-tor-it-tah!)
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More police state BS instead of solving the problem at the border and points of entry.

Americans are sheep and they deserve what they get.


14 posted on 05/05/2005 4:34:31 PM PDT by agitator (...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark)
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EXPEDITES COMPLETION OF U.S./MEXICO BORDER FENCE

We are past "FENCE" we need double concrete walls, topped with 16 ft high chain link fence, faced and topped with razor wire and land mines between the walls! This should be done North and South!


16 posted on 05/05/2005 4:39:42 PM PDT by 26lemoncharlie (Defend the US CONSTITUTION - Locked and Loaded)
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To: fight_truth_decay

Great. The idea that illegals should have licenses identical to those of citizens should never have even been proposed. However, I am in favor of giving illegals driving licenses very different in appearance from regular licenses -- in order to keep tabs on their whereabouts.


21 posted on 05/05/2005 6:23:16 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: fight_truth_decay

True conservatives believe in the free movement of peoples, unhindered by interference from an Imperial government.

I've always believed that "neo-con(servative)" described former Democrats like Ronald Reagan and William F. Buckley who found home in the Republican party due to its strong stance against international Communism. The recent descriptions of neo-con as some kind of new facist seems to be more true everyday.

A pox on the houses of all who would grow the government in the name of "national security". FAH!


22 posted on 05/05/2005 7:24:17 PM PDT by The Shootist
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24 posted on 05/05/2005 8:56:49 PM PDT by gubamyster
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INCREASE FOR AUSTRALIAN WORKERS: About 10,500 Australian guestworkers will be allowed to enter the country annually under terms similar to the H-1B high-tech visa category.<<<

This is fine with me. It is not Aussies who are invading this Country, it's Mexicans.


28 posted on 05/06/2005 6:46:15 AM PDT by Iron Matron
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