House Approves REAL ID, Senate Action Up Next (FAIR UPDATE-WINS AND CONCESSIONS)

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[fight_truth_decay]

EMAIL MOMENTS AGO FROM FAIR. FYI UPDATE.

[zzen01]

What about BORDER security (both S and N)?!!! Or is this just more BIG Federal Govt BS!!!!!!!!

[wk4bush2004]

I agree. It's good that we'll have these restrictions but we need to secure the Canadian and Mexican borders.

I wouldn't be surprised if there was some pork-barrel spending on top of this.

[Socratic]

Meet my friends: Hoo and Ray.

[goldstategop]

There are some concessions for immigrants with skills. Those are kind of people we want in America, people who can contribute to the country's development. The other kind of immigration, the illegal kind, brings in unskilled people who can't benefit the country except to get free benefits Americans can get. So I'm not anti-immigrant just anti-illegal immigrant. Not that Open Borders Lobby proponents will appreciate the distinction. Overall, we have achieved a good law that will strengthen our country's security and prevent a future 9/11 from happening here.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)

[usurper]

What about BORDER security (both S and N)?!!! Or is this just more BIG Federal Govt BS!!!!!!!!

The final bill includes funding for 500 additional border patrol agents, 50 immigration and customs inspectors, 168 enforcement agents and detention officers, and 1,950 detention beds.

Hey, it’s a start.

[bikepacker67]

Of course it's all BULLSHYT.

Make LEGAL residents jump thru more bureaucratic hoops while keeping the REAL PROBLEM unsolved.

The whole fluckin' Legislative/Executive branch has been TREASONOUS when it comes to our National Sovereignty - but why is that a surprise? Most of these "representatives" are the bought and paid for lackeys of Uber-Rich Internationalists who think that the concerns of AVERAGE AMERICANS are nothing but quaint anachronisms.

Beware Pubbies... The LEGAL natives are restless.

[StoneColdGOP]

LOL.

Hooray indeed.

[byteback]

Roll Call Vote

Predictably me Rep voted nyet.

[Hodar]

This scares me a little. Please let me explain why before flaming me. (Please note, I stated it 'scares me'; not that I strongly oppose this).

1.) 4 Forms of ID are a little hard to get. Birth Certificate, Social Security Card, Passport and what else? A Library Card?? Visa card?

2.) It starts with a Birth Certificate; which can be forged or received from a deceased infant. Births and Deaths are not handled by the same department in every locality. From there we simply start creating a false record, applying for a Social Security card, then a passport, and finally the driver's license.

3.) Drivers Licences are not impossible to forge. One could argue that they are relatively easy to forge; and yes, they are sold in the streets in Mexico.

4.) What are we trying to accomplish here? We have open borders, police are not allowed to even ask if you are here legally.

5.) Instead of making the driver's licence more difficult to forge by adding biometrics, DNA or other information; we have been forced to stick with plastic and a photo.

Thus, other than inconveniencing the population at large; this appears to be a lot of wasted effort.

[Soul Seeker]

Maybe someone that has read the legislation can provide a better summary. From what I read above I'm not impressed.

Some concessions were made allowing states to issue "driving certificates" that do not meet the national requirements, but they would not be valid for official purposes.

Sounds like a grey area without much difference. Kind of like the debate over civil ceremonies and marriage. All this will do is strengthen the authority of these "driving certificates" proving one step closer to handing out a license to an illegal.

The rest doesn't impress, but As licenses were meant to be the primary issue I see no cause for celebration.

[ATOMIC_PUNK]

BUMPs

[isthisnickcool]

Part of this is national ID legislation, national driving history legislation (insurance companies will like that) passed without any little if any public comment.

Many states simply don't have the money to help build this huge electronic database.

Once again, a grossly underfunded mandate is being put upon the states by the federal government.

[agitator]

More police state BS instead of solving the problem at the border and points of entry.

Americans are sheep and they deserve what they get.

[zzen01]

Don't for get the "Men in Black" "Judges"!

[26lemoncharlie]

EXPEDITES COMPLETION OF U.S./MEXICO BORDER FENCE

We are past "FENCE" we need double concrete walls, topped with 16 ft high chain link fence, faced and topped with razor wire and land mines between the walls! This should be done North and South!

[jackbenimble]

Sounds like a grey area without much difference. Kind of like the debate over civil ceremonies and marriage. All this will do is strengthen the authority of these "driving certificates" proving one step closer to handing out a license to an illegal.

If Congress had mandated that the States not give driving privileges to illegals they would have been stepping all over the Constitution because since it is not mentioned in the Constitution, this is clearly one of those rights reserved for the States. Instead, Congress has said that if you give licenses to illegals we will not accept drivers licenses from any of your citizens as Federal ID for the purposes of entering Federal Buildings or boarding aircraft (interstate commerce). They have struck a nice balance with states still having the power to do as they please, but with consequences.

There is a huge difference between allowing an illegal to drive and buy insurance with a drivers certificate that is clearly marked "not valid for identification" and giving him a drivers license which is the defacto national id and which makes him nearly indistinguishable from real citizens including making it very easy to vote.

My preference would be to deport them, but this is at least a step in the right direction. And Sensenbrenner meant it primarily as a National Security measure. Recall that several of the 9/11 Terrorists used drivers licenses to board jets.

[fight_truth_decay]

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h109-1268

ID INFO go to on and about #114 and as follows THEN VISAS in the #300 section.. Gov. Track:H.R.1268

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10 to a State to assist the State in conforming to the min-
11 imum standards set forth in this title.
12 (b) AUTHORIZATION APPROPRIATIONS.--There
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13 are authorized to be appropriated to the Secretary for
14 each of the fiscal years 2005 through 2009 such sums as
15 may be necessary to carry out this title.

Money in there for Mercy College-Dobbs Ferry, NY, for the develop-
17 ment of a master's degree program in nursing edu-
18 cation, including marketing and recruitment activi-
19 ties'';

Money in there for:University of Iowa,
10 Iowa City, IA for the Iowa and Israel: Partners in
11 Excellence program to enhance math and science op-
12 portunities to rural Iowa students''

Money in there for: 70
1 ``(3) $14,000,000 from other funds shall be
2 transferred under the heading `Sports and Enter-
3 tainment Commission',

Money in there for: 60
1 read ``University of Alaska/Southeast in Juneau,
2 AK, working with the State of Alaska and Catholic
3 Community Services, for the Alaska System for
4 Early Education Development (SEED)'';
5 (7) the provision specifying $25,000 for QUILL
6 Productions, Inc., Aston, PA, to develop and dis-
7 seminate programs to enhance the teaching of Amer-
8 ican history shall be deemed to read ``QUILL Enter-
9 tainment Company, Aston, PA, to develop and dis-
10 seminate programs to enhance the teaching of Amer-
11 ican history'';
12 (8) the provision specifying $780,000 for City
13 of St. Charles, MO for the St. Charles Foundry Arts
14 Center in support of arts education shall be deemed
15 to read ``The Foundry Art Centre, St. Charles, Mis-
16 souri for support of arts education in conjunction
17 with the City of St. Charles, MO'';
18 (9) the provision specifying $100,000 for Com-
19 munity Arts Program, Chester, PA, for arts edu-
20 cation shall be deemed to read ``Chester Economic
21 Development Authority, Chester, PA for a commu-
22 nity arts program'';
23 (10) the provision specifying $100,000 for Kids
24 with A Promise--The Bowery Mission, Bushkill, PA

Money in there for:ASSISTANCE FOR THE INDEPENDENT STATES OF THE

2 FORMER SOVIET UNION

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13 Rio Grande Silvery Minnow in the Middle Rio Grande Val-
14 ley.
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``Fairfax
18 County Public Schools, Fairfax, VA for Chinese lan-
19 guage programs in Shrevewood Elementary School
20 and Wolftrap Elementary School'';
21 (6) the provision specifying $1,250,000 for the
22 University of Alaska/Fairbanks in Fairbanks, AK,
23 working with the State of Alaska and Catholic Com-
24 munity Services, for the Alaska System for Early
25 Education Development (SEED)


That up to $5,000,000 of the funds made
7 available for assistance for the West Bank and Gaza by this
8 chapter under ``Economic Support Fund'' shall be used for
9 an outside, independent evaluation by an internationally
10 recognized accounting firm of the transparency and ac-
11 countability of Palestinian Authority accounting proce-
12 dures and an audit of expenditures by the Palestinian Au-
13 thority.

the provision specifying $50,000 for Great
4 Projects Film Company, Inc., Washington, DC, to
5 produce ``Educating America'', a documentary about
6 the challenges facing our public schools shall be
7 deemed to read ``Great Projects Film Company,
8 Inc., New York, NY, to produce `Educating Amer-
9 ica', a documentary about the challenges facing our
10 public schools'';
11 (12) the provision specifying $30,000 for Sum-
12 mer Camp Opportunities Provide an Edge
13 (SCOPE), New York, NY for YMCA Camps
14 Skycrest, Speers and Elijabar shall be deemed to
15 read ``American Camping Association for Summer
16 Camp Opportunities Provide an Edge (SCOPE),
17 New York, NY for YMCA Camps Skycrest and
18 Speers-Elijabar''; and

CHESAPEAKE BAY, SR1 BRIDGE, DELAWARE

Unrelated to national security items are tucked in between ..ENJOY!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$



This is more unrelated inclusions..and I know I saw something about burros in here but can't find it now!!

[Soul Seeker]

If Congress had mandated that the States not give driving privileges to illegals they would have been stepping all over the Constitution because since it is not mentioned in the Constitution, this is clearly one of those rights reserved for the States.

Hmm. Thanks for that POV. That would put it in a slightly different light if so.

[fight_truth_decay]

I wouldn't be surprised if there was some pork-barrel spending on top of this.

Pork Barrel spending!!!..take a look sometime (post and link above) !