Posted on 05/04/2005 9:30:26 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
I am not a Christian, or even a religious believer, and my opinions on social issues are decidedly middle-of-the-road. So why do I find myself rooting for the "religious right"? I suppose it is because I am put off by self-righteousness, closed-mindedness, and contempt for democracy and pluralism--all of which characterize the opposition to the religious right.
One can disagree with religious conservatives on abortion, gay rights, school prayer, creationism and any number of other issues, and still recognize that they have good reason to feel disfranchised. This isn't the same as the oft-heard complaint of "anti-Christian bigotry," which is at best imprecise, since American Christians are all over the map politically. But those who hold traditionalist views have been shut out of the democratic process by a series of court decisions that, based on constitutional reasoning ranging from plausible to ludicrous, declared the preferred policies of the secular left the law of the land.
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Thanks for your full response, Kenny Bunkport. I concur with your post and will delete "bucko" from any future dialogue with ya, as it was only meant to provoke your point of view, lol...
Thanks Treader. I thought I needed to clarify my intent and opinion. One-word responses to comments (as I did) don't really add much to a general discussion.
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Those who when told that I'm either a believer or prior to my faith I wasn't interested and wouldn't back away and stand down.
I really believe that the in your facers will be held more accountable for the souls pushed away than those who did not engage in the great commission.
When have you ever been prevented from practicing your faith as you see fit?
When did God tell you this?? Perhaps we will be held accountable for all those we came in contact with and didn't tell them about Christ's love??
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The form that we put forth matters as long as we don't compromise the Word. Those who go forward like a bull in a china shop end up with the same results. Well not entirely. A china shop is broken china. In humanity, it's another soul lost from God.
I think this pretty much sums up what our FF thought of religion, morals, and people minding their own business.
If not for those who protested in front of the abortion clinics America would have ignored this plague. They turned America around on the abortion issue whether you like their tactics or not. They had courage. Jesus had no use for Lukewarm Christians and said to spit them out. Where does it say to be a quiet Christian??
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I am a sinner, but always try to do "the next right thing." My faith is in my HEART, and the only thing that I try and cram down throats is a pie down my own. That, and to teach (pie-cram) my children right from wrong and good from bad, to bring them up through the Church, and to be, above all else, GOOD PEOPLE. And my children are very decent and kind and GOOD...of which I am so VERY damn proud.
And their FAITH is strong...which keeps them strong and loving and decent, and always doing "the next right thing" from their HEARTS.
Not to get all Freudian, but one can explain a lot of the shifts in American politics by simply looking at how people were raised.
The Baby Boomers grew up in a time of fairly strict standards, public piety, etc. It _did_ include a fair amount of hypocrisy, and they rebelled against it. They're still rebelling against it today.
Meanwhile younger voters (the "South Park Conservatives") have been listening to Boomer PC drivel all their lives and are voting for someone like Bush because he tells the truth and is willing to knock heads when the country is threatened.
What both paranoid Lefties and overly smug conservatives miss is that being _against_ political correctness and smug patronizing liberal hypocrisy is _not_ the same as wanting a country with laws based on the Ten Commandments and everything back the way it was in Hoover's administration.
Can you show me scripturally where he spit out lukewarm Christians?
I'm not so sure.
I don't see Gen X or Gen Y as being any more moral than the Boomers.
The hippies and free love crowd were never more than a loud minority in the boomer age.
What makes the boomers so pervasive is their numbers. They dwarf the two subsequent generations.
Revelation 3:15-16.
The CommiRat Party always claim to be for Freedom of Speech and yet like their model forms of Government continually attempt to squelch their opposition’s thoughts and beliefs. We have to listen to every screwball Liberal who screeches the most vile rhetoric, while every Conservative argument is labeled hatred. Justice Janice Rogers Brown delivers a rhetorical masterpiece and since she does not quote directly from the Communist Manifesto, her speech is declared by the Dimrats as extremism. These people say they are for open dialogue but just as China, Russia, Cuba and Iraq that freedom only applies to the them.
President Bush declares he wants to reform Socialist Insecurity, the foundation of the Communists and what is their response? Is there an open dialogue with all sides speaking frankly to explore all options? Of course not, it must be shot down to the point Dead Air runs a “spoof” assassinating the duly elected, not selected President of the United States. Right out of the Maoist Revolution Red Book, where you murder the entire ruling gummit.
Their party has supported fellow murderers Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Ho Chi Min, Pol Pot, Castro, Arabfat, Saddamn, Margaret Sanger among numerous other mass murdering dictators. This list is the core of Liberalism and their true charade of Free Speech. You are allowed to denounce these fellow gummits all you want against the Firing Squad Wall. Anytime you want to see Liberalism in it’s most pure form, just go look at any Communist Country and ask yourself why they build walls to keep people in, while democracies construct walls to keep people out. Ask why Liberalism wants so desperately to eliminate the Free Speech? Because their ideas cannot withstand the light of truth.
Janice Rogers Brown told an audience that people of faith were embroiled in a "war" against secular humanists who threatened to divorce America from its religious roots, according to a newspaper account of the speech. ...
"These are perilous times for people of faith," she said, "not in the sense that we are going to lose our lives, but in the sense that it will cost you something if you are a person of faith who stands up for what you believe in and say those things out loud." ...
These are words that the Left can’t let the people hear because it is the truth. They are the ones that we are at war with America, from the American Communist Lawyers Union to the No Educating Association to the National Organization of Old Broads across the spectrum of Atheistic Communists that make up the Rat Party. Justice Brown being an articulate Black Woman represents two critical Dim voting blocks and needs to be silenced. When more Blacks agree with her than with them, there will be nobody to pick the cotton??
After being rejected by the voting public again, the only tactic left to the Loony Tune Left is to keep her and the rest of the qualified Christian nominees from being voted on by the misuse of the filibuster to censor them. Moral reasoned rulings on the field of ideas would destroy the left’s lame arguments. Anyone who moves America away from Atheistic Communism is a threat to the Kumbaya, can’t we just control you; crowd.
The Dems are again complaining about the Fairness Doctrine due to Al Franken-stein’s failed talk radio. Maybe they should have hired a comedian? The fact is that the left have no answers to any problems other than turn over more of your life to the Gummit, is wrong. Americans believe in a smaller Gov and pulling their own bootstraps, so why would anyone listen to him? That is why Liberals are all for silencing anybody who disagrees with their worldview. From Political Correctness censorship to terminology like Vast Right-wing Conspiracy to not letting a Black Woman have an up or down vote is a last ditch effort to squelch her. The same people that scream count every vote in every losing election will not allow 10 Senators to vote for the advancement of a Black Woman.
This Stalinism will work for a short time. It is time for the Conservatives to stand for Free Speech which is the bedrock which this Country stands. If we allow our most articulate voices to be squelched, then there is no such thing as Free Speech. Without the open exchange of ideas good or bad, we will not see progress on any issues. This is why the Republican Party has to go ballistic in this war to end their Che Guevera tactics in the Senate and have an up or down vote on our Judges. Lady Liberty requires that any voice be heard and is time for every vote to be counted.
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"Please define "cramming it down peoples throat." Many say that Billy Graham was doing that. Your definition may not be someone elses and that would leave many unreached. Many of us Fundamentalist Christians tire of the limits put on our Faith. Jesus warned us about lukewarm Christians."
'Cramming it down people's throats' is making laws or using existing laws to enforce conservative Christian standards of behavior. In other words, its doing the same things leftists do when leftists are in power.
Conservative Christians need to use their freedom of speech to convince and convert people. Hey, if you get enough people to convert that will mean most people will be following your standards of behavior. As long as you don't tell me how to live my life, I won't tell you how to live yours. And feel free to witness to me if you want, just be aware that I can slam the door in your face pretty fast.
"And of course living in Louisiana and not California or Massachusetts, you may be missing what the "gay thing" is all about. The "gay thing" most likely isn't in your face in Louisiana."
I've lived in New York for the last nine or so years, before that Austin, and before that New Orleans. I've had lots of gays right in my face. I simply don't care. And I fail to see why other people get so worked up.
Your contradictions almost outweigh the worth of consideration- bah bah bah- little black sheep, have you any wool? "... and everthing back the way it was in Hoover's administration." What are you talking about???
You issued this challenge
Please show the "separation of church and state" clause, pause or insinuation - in any United States Documents of Federation. I double dare ya...
The Treaty with Tripoli states that As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion... and Article VI of The United States Constitution states the Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all treaties made or shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the Supreme Law of the Land.
The treaty makes a clear statement concerning the accepted state of separation between church and state, the Constitution backs the statement, giving it the full force of law.
The documentary proof you asked for.
What makes the Boomers so powerful is that, right now, they are the generation that holds the heights of power. But I must say that we owe a lot of this mess to the so=called "Greatest Generation" who hold on to New Deal politics, especially the social security boondoggle. They --and I-- have got far more from that program than we deserve. The Great Society legilations turned it from a "safety-net" program for the aged and infirm to an annuity for the middle class.
The government of the United States is not founded on the Christian religion, but that means, narrowly, the central government. The most definition statement of separation is found in Article 6, which says that no religious test shall be required to hold office. Nothing like the Test Act of Great Britain, which barred Catholics and Jews from office until it was repealed in 1828. But separation of church in state under American law is always defined in a negative way. We do not have a state church. Bishops do not sit in Congress. One does not have to communicate in the state church to hold public office. Our republic is NOT the divine right monarchy that Great Britain was, with the king being the local version of Constantine. To go beyond that is to assert that our government must ignore the plain fact that our society, indeed our common law, isfounded on Christian principles. There are those who think that we have put those principles on a non-religious footing, but that is merely a claim, a sectarian view, the view of the ten percent of our people who say they have no religion. This is not France, where that number is a much greater part of the whole,
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