Coulter Attacked for Truth Telling Speeches

Have you heard what happened to Ann Coulter last night when she was down at UT Austin? You haven't heard about this? (talking to staff) They arrested this guy. Here's basically what happened: "Incessant heckling and shouting culminated in an arrest Tuesday night during a speech by Ann Coulter at the University of Texas at Austin. The Texan reports: Shouts became so pervasive during the question-and-answer session that Coulter informed the organizers she would no longer take questions if the hecklers were not silenced. For a time, the shouts were considerably lessened, until the issue of gay marriage was broached. Coulter said she supported the definition of marriage as between a man and a woman on the basis that a good woman civilizes and inspires a man to strive for something better, leading to a question that was met with a stunned silence." Now, I cannot read this question verbatim. I can't. (interruption) What? What's news? The question is news, but Mr. Snerdley, even under the guise, even under the umbrella of news, we have standards on this program. We have the highest echelons of good taste to uphold. I'm not going to repeat this question verbatim. I'll do as well as I can with this.

Here's the question. "You say that you believe in the sanctity of marriage. How do you feel about marriages where the man does nothing but blank his wife in the blank?" Now, the context here is gay marriage, so the question, "You say that you believe in the sanctity of marriage. Well, how do you feel about marriages where the man does nothing but blank his wife up the blank?" Well, the University of Texas police officers approached this man, his name was Ajai Raj, he's an English sophomore, Ajai Raj. "They approached Raj to arrest him resulting in a mass exodus of protesters chanting, 'Let him go.' 'The person had been disruptive the entire event,' said Matt Hardigree, former Student Events Center president. 'He took the opportunity to say something lewd and offensive and then made masturbatory gestures as he exited.' Hardigree said that Cheryl Wood from the Office of the Dean of Students spoke with some of the protestors before the event, and assorted members of the Distinguished Speakers Committee asked them to sit in the back if they had signs and to leave quietly if they wanted to leave. According to Jeffrey Stockerwell, a friend of Raj, officers violently seized Raj and illegally searched him after his question. Police have charged Raj with disorderly conduct, a Class C misdemeanor. Representatives of the Austin People's Legal Collective were taking statements from everyone at the scene, in case it should be taken to court. The booing began early into Coulter's speech, when she issued a joke to pro-choice advocates. 'I wonder why those "I Heart Partial-Birth Abortion" T-shirts aren't selling better.'" That just brought them out of the woodwork. They started screaming bloody murder. "One student asked Coulter why universities and institutions place microphones in front of her when she advocates terrorism against liberals, prompting Coulter to mention the strength of her book sales. Coulter has had four New York Times best sellers. The event was co-sponsored by the Texas Union Student Events Center and Student Endowed Centennial Lectureship Committee."

So again, this guy, Ajai Raj, an English sophomore, "How do you feel about marriages where the man does nothing but blank his wife up the blank?" (interruption) Oh, come on, Diana. The editrix of the Limbaugh Letter says I'm not being clear enough with the question. Diana, don't try this. Everybody is trying to goad me. You want me to read what the guy said and I'm not going to do it. You all know what the guy's question was. The Smoking Gun has the arrest report up there on its website, and they've given this group of people that are throwing pies and weapons at conservative speakers, Pi-Qaeda instead of Al-Qaeda, Pi-Qaeda. One thing I want to say here. Ann had this comment that she supported the definition of marriage as between a man and a woman on the basis that a good woman civilizes and inspires a man to strive for something better, and that led to the question that was met with stunned silence. By the way, there were people that brought their kids ten, 12-year-old kids to this thing who heard this question, and that didn't sit well with the arresting officer, either. But, you know, George Gilder made this point on an Oprah show back in the eighties and Oprah threw him off the show. George Gilder is a friend of mine, he's a brilliant man, he's an expert in forecasting high-tech, where it's going, but he's just written on a wide variety of subjects and one of the subjects he dealt with was poverty in the inner cities and the breakup of the family in the inner cities. We've had countless calls on this program substantiate the point. The point is the federal government has busted up the black community by replacing the role of the father with all these welfare programs, AFDC, you name it -- this is all prior to welfare reform -- there wasn't any need for a father, and so the father didn't have to hang around, the father didn't have to get married, was able to run around, men were able to run around and do whatever they want without any commitment, without any concern about anything, and Gilder in talking about this, and not just this, but a number of other things, made the point that -- and this angers feminists.

You can't believe how this angers them. They blow their stacks. They go nuts when you tell you them that one of the great things about women is they civilize men and they commit them to responsibility, and they inspire them to do better things. By the way, this is a view that's held after judging the whole course of human history. You can take any element of human history and say, "That's crazy, that's not working." Look at the divorce rate for example, how is that inspiring everybody? Well, women do other things, too, and so do men, but on balance this has been a conventional theory. The feminists just don't want to hear anything about, they don't want to hear anything about the fact that they civilize men -- I don't know why. It seems to me this is made to order for feminists, this argument, but it got George Gilder thrown off. I mean, I don't know how many people Oprah has thrown off her show, but he was. He was literally kicked off the show for saying this, and she was foaming at the mouth, the audience was going nuts. I saw it. I saw it happen and Gilder is not an imposing guy.

He's not loud. He's a very soft-spoken intellectual type guy. He made the mistake of going to that show in the first place. I'll never forget this. I saw one of my heroes and idols, Bill Buckley, on Donahue, and it was the worst decision Buckley's ever made, to go on Donahue. He's sitting there and Donahue is asking all these questions, and Buckley is answering as Buckley. And of course the audience is stacked with whoever they could drag in off Fifth Avenue from New York, and a bunch of women said, "I think you're a racist! I think you're a racist pig! I think you're a bigot!" And Buckley has no clue, he hasn't said one thing racist or bigoted, and you can tell he has no clue what to do with this. I mean, racism, bigotry, it's not part of his being, his structure, and he had not said one thing that would inspire anybody to come to that conclusion, and yet people standing up shouting at him, and he was speechless. Donahue is just sitting there smiling smugly, because there was a leading conservative that had just been portrayed as a racist bigot on his show, which was the point. So you gotta pick your audiences here when you're going to go on these shows. And Oprah, one of the greatest Americans, Oprah's considered the upper echelon (interruption) conspiracy of what, Mr. Snerdley?

No, I don't think it's a conspiracy. No. You mean a conspiracy with all these pies and all these attacks on conservative speakers? It may be. I don't know. If you wanted to prove a conspiracy you'd have to say that there are marching orders on the Democrat websites. I don't think there's a conspiracy. I think these people are inspired to this naturally. I think that's what happens when you are fearful. I mean, you hear somebody saying things you know are right and they just totally blow up your world view in a way that you can't respond intellectually and beat them in an argument, so what do you do? Stand up, try to insult them, try to shout them down, try to intimidate them or what have you. I think it's all part of the continuing liberal crackup. I think if you have people already out there who are living with a seething rage, it's totally understandable at some point they're going to blow their tops and express it in various ways, and at these speeches that conservatives make. I think Ann Coulter leads the league because she does a lot of speeches. In fact, I had dinner with her Monday night. She's moved here to Palm Beach and we went out to dinner, just to say hello, shoot the garbage, welcome her to town and so forth, and we were talking about this, and I mentioned to her that I thought one of the great put-downs of all time -- she was being heckled somewhere in Kansas, University of Kansas or somewhere and it was just in the past two months, and some bunch of people started shouting, and I don't know what they were saying, it didn't matter. She looked at them and she said, "The same-sex studies class is down the hall," or something like that and the place just blew up in applause. I mean, the vast majority of the people were her audience, they just blew up in applause and shouted and the protest continued and she refused to go on. She announced on the microphone, "I refuse to continue unless at least one burly, brave Republican male stands up in the aisle and stops this from happening." And the place filled with burly men standing in the aisle to stop the protesters. So she's used to it, she has it down pat, and I think likes it. I think she loves goading these people. I think she loves sticking the knife in them. The verbal knife, as you will.

CALLER: Hi, Rush. I am a conservative, big time, but I'm sorry, I think that was a legitimate question that Ann was asked, and I think it deserved an answer. I truly would like --

RUSH: -- wait, wait, wait just a second. Martha, hang on, you can't possibly believe that.

RUSH: In any civilized gathering, that question, as asked, it doesn't deserve an answer --

RUSH: That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the question the way it was asked. How do you feel about marriages where --

RUSH: Ann Coulter is not like the audience, Ann Coulter is not in the gutter. The audience brought the gutter in.

CALLER: Well, adult issues are discussed at all these things. I mean, that's just a fact. And I think that the reason why a lot of people are so opposed to gay marriage is because they find this particular activity so repugnant.

CALLER: And they want to get it out of their reality, and I think it's a legitimate question because it's not just gay people who do it to other gay people.

CALLER: Well, I mean you're a man of the world, come on. Anyway, and I think it's also a real slap in the face to gay men to say that it's impossible that they could inspire their partners in any way and that, you know, all women are able to do that and I'll give you one example only. Did Hillary inspire Bill?

CALLER: Well, if she taught him how to be more cut-throat as a politician and win, yeah, but I mean morality, no.

RUSH: If you can say that fear is an inspiration I think that you might be able to say that she inspired him. He was ambitious to begin with. But look, I do think that one of the reasons that they sought the highest office in the land, I think Hillary wanted it as much as he did and I think we've learned that Hillary was an architect of many of the moves that they both made to get them there.

RUSH: Look, every point that somebody makes, Gilder was speaking as a socialist. Now, of course you could point up fallacies in anecdotal examples all day long. I will be the first to tell you that I think a man can inspire another man, be it in a sexual relationship or not.

RUSH: My father inspired me. A number of people inspired me, but in terms of when you look at marriage in the context in which she was discussing it, she thinks that's one of the things that women do, that females, that the whole gender accomplishes with men. And, by the way, if you'd read some of these really highbrow sociological articles you'll find a lot of people hold the belief that men, if left alone, will run around, quote, unquote, plant the seed everywhere they could, never make a home anywhere because that's not really what's --

CALLER: Rush, really, I think that's probably sociologically very true from the beginning of time.

CALLER: -- I think the first reason I gave is the main reason why people find gay marriage repugnant. And the thing is, it's not going to stop, it's not going to go away. People who are born that way are going to continue to be born that way, to act that way, and feel that way.

CALLER: I think Ann and anybody else should answer the question, is a heterosexual marriage not a good one if what the man was suggesting is true. What is your answer to that?

RUSH: If I were asked the question, if I were talking about gay marriage in a speech and I did a Q&A period, which I have a different way of doing that, too, but if this question came up and I endeavored to answer it, I've always said the reason marriage is important, because the point of getting married in the vast majority of cases is for rearing children, raising of children and create the nuclear family, create the bloodline, create the nuclear family. The primary responsibility of a married couple is to raise children. That's what I've always thought. Now, there are plenty of couples that are married and don't have kids, have great relationships, there are exceptions to everything. But, you know, you know, raising children, the human infant is different than any other mammal infant on earth. Any other mammal is on -- wait a minute, wait a minute, it's on its own in six months, six weeks. Living on its own, doesn't remember its mother and father, it is sisters -- a human often at 18 still doesn't know what the hell it's doing, needs guidance, needs training. You have to understand this.

RUSH: If people that accept parenthood responsibly, it has to be their number one objective and responsibility for civilization to continue. Now, that's my answer to, "Why are you saying marriage is sanctified between a man and a woman?"

CALLER: I think that's a beautiful answer, and that is the way probably God intended it, I don't know. I mean, that's the way I wish everybody was, but everybody is not that way. There are tons of horrible fathers, there's tons of horrible mothers. What a child needs is at least one person who is loving, possibly two would be great.

RUSH: I understand. Let's just look at the entomology of it. Marriage means something, a man and a woman.

CALLER: Great, but that has nothing to do with what you're doing where. That's all behind closed doors. Has nothing to do with the sociological stuff.

RUSH: Again, I'm not the expert on this that you are, but I'm just saying that that's -- to me is not the central question of this, and it's certainly not the best way to go around promoting, if you want to, gay marriage, I don't think. I mean, just in terms of winning the argument. Great to talk to you, Martha, see you again.

RUSH: The thing that was missing in all this is that, you know, gay sex is gay sex, it's a private matter, but marriage, it's a recognized institution. It is something that exists that is specifically defined and that is between a man and a woman. By the way, the guy asking the question didn't want an answer. He was trying to make a point, and the point of it is to try to equate, basically, "There's no difference between gays and straights, they both do it, so what are you paranoid conservatives so afraid of?" That was the point of the question. Was to take it off the subject of marriage and get it to sex, and marriage is not just about sex. So I thought the question was outrageous, it was just somebody making a point, wanted to get the attention that it's drawn him, but I don't think Ann Coulter was talking about gay sex. I think she was talking about marriage, and they're two different things. Here's Rob in Washington, Pennsylvania, hello, sir, welcome to the program.

CALLER: I'm sorry, before I start I've just got to say I've been listening to you since I was 16, and you're the man, you're awesome.

CALLER: But the reason I was calling in was I guess to disagree with Martha. You actually set it out right. The guy's comment at Coulter's meeting was not fit for the public forum. But I was also calling to just kind of almost support her notion that in a heterosexual relationship -- well, first of all, I guess I should point out that I'm gay.

CALLER: But in the heterosexual relationship, her point was that the woman caused the man to be something better than he is by himself. And I guess through my own experience through gay culture I could basically see what she was trying to say. I mean, what I told your call screener was, when you look at the, you know, short life span of most, not all, anybody can point to a gay couple that's been around since the flood, but most gay interaction is very brief, whatever the purpose of it is, even their relationships. So I mean I don't necessarily disagree with what Coulter said, and I don't agree with Martha sitting there saying that --

RUSH: I appreciate it. There are any number of things you can cite. I mean, this is going to sound childish to some of you, but take a look at the lyrics of love songs from the beginning of time sung by men. Take a look at what men do to try to woo a woman. Not that woman don't do it in reverse, but take a look at what men do. I mean, you know, love is the one emotion that will make you behave irrationally, it will make you do things that you wouldn't otherwise do, say things you wouldn't otherwise say, it brings it out of you. It does, it does, I mean this as a positive. So you can look around and you can see evidence of this all over the place. Now, does it last? I mean that's a whole other debate, that's a whole other question with gazillions of different answers, but the real point here is that this guy's question down there had nothing to do with marriage, it had to do with sex, and the objection to gay marriage doesn't have anything to do -- at least with people I know -- has nothing to do with sex. You know her whole point was that the reason heterosexuals oppose it is because oppose gay sex. I think that's a classic misunderstanding.

The left has such a misunderstanding of what people on the right think, what they hold important, what they hold dear, what they cherish and what they hold sacred. And the whole notion here that the opposition to gay marriage is over something like sex misses the whole point. Marriage is a sacred institution. It has a specific definition, and many people think that it will be watered down and rendered meaningless if it is changed to include people who have never, ever fit that particular definition. Now, it is not to say that those who don't fit the definition are second class, third class, or anything else, it just is what it is. You know, it's sort of akin to what the Catholic church is going through. People don't like what the Catholic church is and think it ought to change so that the Catholic church is more like them. Well, that's not how it works. The Catholic church is what it is and if you want to subscribe to it and join it and worship, fine. But the church is not going to change what it is. It is what it is. And it's not going to change what it is in order to accommodate the requests and the demands of people who already are not willing to worship in that manner. Well, the same thing with marriage. It is what it is, and the people who believe in it and believe that it has an institutional, sociological purpose, believe in it, and they don't want to see it watered down and they don't want to see it discredited and they don't want to see it vanish, they don't want to see it rendered meaningless. Has nothing to do with sex. Far, far loftier things than that in a sense, so I think the question was just way off topic. There was no answer to it, by the way, that's when the place erupted, the cops moved in to try to arrest the guy and the protesters went nuts. All he was trying to do was score a point and the point he was trying to score was, "Hey, you're just a bunch of paranoid people on the right here. I mean, gay sex is what it is, and same thing happens in a heterosexual relationship, what are you afraid of?" The intent by the question was to equate the two and once you can equate the same kind of sex, well, why can't both get married and be called marriage? That's not what marriage is, and the people that don't understand that are the ones that are going to be fearful of it and angry and everything else.

RUSH: We have the organizer of the Ann Coulter speech last night and her appearance at the University of Texas at Austin. It's Josh. Josh, I'm glad you called, I'm glad you got through. What's the scoop, what's happening?

CALLER: Hey, Rush, let me start by saying mega conservative college student dittos from UT Austin.

CALLER: I wanted to call and just basically qualify, not speak on behalf of the university, but as somebody that was there and chairman of the event that brought her, you know we've been getting a lot of inquiries from the media about what exactly happened and one of the things that I'm seeing reported is they're saying that this individual came down and, you know, made this question, made a lewd remark, and then was arrested, making it sound as if they were arresting him based on his speech. The truth is, Rush, is that, you know, I was watching the entire thing from the stage toward the audience, and what ended up happening is this individual came down, asked his question, did end up using expletives in his question. The police came down and started escorting him out. He resisted that and then they arrested him. So it's not like they were arresting him because of what he said, they were arresting him because he was using lewd remarks and lewd gestures and then resisted them escorting him out.

RUSH: So had he not, had he just sat down after asking the question, you don't think he would have been arrested?

CALLER: I don't think he would have been arrested, he would have been asked to leave because it was clearly a disruption, it was being propane, but he wouldn't have been arrested, he would have been just simply asked to leave the event.

RUSH: What was the overall take? That was after the speech and the Q&A; is that right?

CALLER: Rush, it was actually funny. One of the things that I read in the paper said that, you know, the audience was stunned into silence. That's the absolute I would say incorrect version of what happened. What actually happened is everybody started booing the questioner, and I gotta tell you something that was funny and folks, if you're out there and you're trying to plan an event, this is what you need to do because, Rush, once the guy asked the question and he was told to leave, then, you know, he resisted and the police arrested him and at that point I would say probably 30 or 40 liberals in the audience jumped up out of their chairs ran out of the auditorium claiming police brutality and we were purged of about 80% of the liberals that were there so it was great.

CALLER: Exactly. That's what it is. I would say on behalf of our committee, we don't just bring conservatives, two years ago we brought Michael Moore and one of the things that people have to understand is that when we bring a speaker like this to speak at a university we are doing so to provide students with a unique and rare opportunity to hear from some of the most engaging leaders of our time and the question and answer period is for them to ask some questions, and I would say, Rush, 85 to 90% of the liberals that got up there and asked questions prefaced their question with some kind of defaming remark or demeaning, you know, statement about Ms. Coulter before actually getting to their question, when they had ample time to ask her about anything that they wanted to ask.

RUSH: Look, this is common. Just to confirm what you're saying with a little personal story.

RUSH: On Monday I happened to regale my audience with some of my successful attempts to fix a problem I was having with my new Mac OS 10.4 Tiger.

RUSH: And I have been sent notes from people who are on chat boards, chat rooms, Apple and Mac chat rooms and they've said you will not believe, you ought to go there and look at this, and there have been three or four of them that start off by saying, "Oh, no, I want to commit suicide, Rush Limbaugh uses a Mac, oh, no, this is horrible, I hope I gets sick and commits suicide, oh, no, his problem obviously is not a problem any of us have, he doesn't know what he's talking about, he's lying about this to impugn Apple." But none of them addressed the substance of what my problem was, or that I had fixed it. These people are just in a rapid dissent to irrelevancy that's born of a combination of arrogance if you can have this, arrogance and inferiority and fear, and it's impossible to deal with them rationally. So when you tell me the reaction that you get down there to her Q&A from liberals always preceded by an insulting comment or some such thing, it's just childish. One more question, you said you're getting a lot of calls from the national media, eh?

CALLER: We've noticed the report that, you know, Drudge had it on and Hannity & Colmes, you know, they wanted to hear about it, and, of course, the local papers here, and we're just waiting for the thing to go. I mean, as far as everybody talking about it and I just wanted to get that out before it makes it on Hannity & Colmes or whoever else is going to be carrying it, that it wasn't the correct depiction of what actually happened.

RUSH: And this Raj was not arrested for the question, but because he resisted removal --

CALLER: Right. Let me just say one more thing, like you were talking about with the Mac example, people don't want to be associated with certain people. I personally was the one that picked her up from the airport, drove her to the hotel, drove her back to the airport. And I gotta tell you, Rush, she was one of the most genuine individuals that you can hear from. But I think what happens is you get this group think, and they say, well, you know, they're saying that she's demonic so she must be demonic --

RUSH: Well that's pretty close to what happens. I guarantee you that you will find out of virtually every conservative, and when you meet them, look it -- now, this is not a criticism of you. I don't mean to demean, but you made a great point. You had to tell us that you met her and she's a nice girl, she's a nice woman, down to earth and all this. The reason you felt compelled to do that was because you know what the media and her critics have successfully put in the Nexis database and other places about her, and so this is a classic illustration of what has happened to mainstream conservatives for 15 or 16 years and maybe even longer. The left really can't defeat us in an intellectual argument or discussion in the arena of ideas. So their attempt has been to discredit, their attempt has been to create images and spin out of conservatives that equal racist, sexist, bigot, homophobe, wearing horns, fascist, Hitler, this sort of thing. Happens to me all the time. People who have heard this for 16 years meet me, cannot believe it.

The power of the media to shape images with spin is pretty big. So everybody that knows Ann Coulter knows her the same way you do. She's utterly harmless. But isn't it interesting the left fears words more than anything else? They fear words. They fear the US military. Here you have Saddam Hussein, 300,000 to a million people dead and buried in mass graves, rape rooms, torture, that doesn't frighten them at all. But what we say about cleaning that situation up scares the ever-living daylights out of them. I've never met a bunch of people more afraid of words in my life than the left and that I think is what animates them, and really, you know, I don't know what to call it, cowardice or just plain fear but that is what's animating them these days because they know they're losing, they know they're in the minority, and they're setting examples of their failure each and every day by virtue of all this spin and media creation of images, it hasn't worked. Their enemies are triumphing, their enemies are succeeding, you know, best revenge is success. And it's happening all over the place. Meanwhile, the left is imploding and is unable to gain ground and doesn't have officials, representatives that inspire people. So they know all this. It's that little voice in their head, they know all this, they just cannot accept the reality of it, and like kids, they're blaming everybody else for their problems. Josh, I'm glad you called. It's great to hear from you.

Just a comment - The Limbaugh Letter, especially Rush's opening opinion piece & the issue's interview, is unparalleled in information and accuracy.
And the covers are of Rockwellian Saturday Evening Post stature.

Rush: "And the whole notion here that the opposition to gay marriage is over something like sex misses the whole point."

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ajairaj@mail.utexas.edu was the nitwit arrested. This is his email, given to me, I do not know if it is correct, because #1 I am tired #2 I am pi##ed off #3 I went too the DUmmie sight earlier, and did I mention I'm still pi##ed off? lol. Hope the Cops really focus in on Ajai Raj aka "Ibn Sharmuta". (For those that don't know arabic, please email me lol)

Be well, Jeff :)

I was listening at the time and my recollection is:

Rush: "And the whole notion here that the opposition to gay marriage is over... Something like sex misses the whole point."

His point is that we could care less if these loosers want to rear-end somebody. We do care about retaining traditional marriage.

There are any number of things you can cite. I mean, this is going to sound childish to some of you, but take a look at the lyrics of love songs from the beginning of time sung by men.

That put me in mind of a beautiful Elizabethan lute song that I was listening to earlier today:

When Fortune, Love and Time attend on,
Her, with my fortunes, love and time,
I honor will alone.
If bloodless Envy say,
Duty hath no desert,
Duty replies that Envy knows,
Herself his faithful heart.
My settled vows, and spotless faith,
No Fortune can remove,
Courage shall show my inward faith,
And faith shall try my love.

Honor; love; courage; faith. God, what concept is in that song that any liberal could possibly understand?

Rush: "And the whole notion here that the opposition to gay marriage is over something like sex misses the whole point."

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So, is youre oppositin to "Gay Marriage" because you are bothered by one guy sticking his **** up another guy's ****, or because you value the sanctity of marriage?

Mine is the latter, because I know that I can't change the former without a police state that would probably put me behind bars for my views before it got around to the others you worry about.

And, if nothing else, I admire symmetry and complementary design: form follows function.

It's obvious that that is how humans were designed to partner.

Thanks for the ping.

If Ann stood up and read the names from a phone book, the left-loonies would boo her and attack her with nasty questions -- and Rush would rip them a new one for it as he did this time.

I'm glad to know there were people in the audience who supported her, then and there.

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