Military Judge Rejects England's Plea Deal

FoxNews.com ^ | May 4, 2005 | AP

[cweese]

FORT HOOD, Texas — A military judge on Wednesday rejected Pfc. Lynndie England's guilty plea agreement in the Abu Ghraib prison scandal after another prisoner's testimony cast doubt on the prosecution's case. Earlier in the day, Pvt. Charles Graner Jr., the reputed ringleader in the scandal, contradicted a key part of England's guilty plea, in which she said she knew she was committing wrongful acts when she took part in the mistreatment of Iraqi detainees. Graner said that the notorious photos taken of England at the prison had a legitimate use, endangering England's guilty plea to seven abuse charges. Under military law, a judge can formally accept England's guilty plea only if she knew at the time that what she was doing was illegal. The judge, Col. James Pohl, planned to question England again Wednesday afternoon to try to clarify her state of mind when the abusive acts occurred. Graner, who is said to be England's ex-boyfriend, was found guilty in January and is serving a 10-year prison term for his role in the scandal. Pohl abruptly stopped England's sentencing hearing after Graner testified for the defense that three pictures he took of England holding a naked prisoner on a leash were meant to be used as a legitimate training aid for other guards.

[ARealMothersSonForever]

No individual of the UNITED STATES MILITARY has been convicted of "getting more Americans killed". Great byline for NPR hate Americans at any cost. Wonderful logic. If only we had never gone there. I personally met a physician from Iraq in Europe in 2001 whose family had been tortured, raped, and the remains were scattered in the street in front of his house. Subsequently, both of his sons were conscripted into the same vehicles where their mothers and sisters heads were. Leashes and panties indeed.

[clamper1797]

This whole damn episode has been a railroad job.

[sheik yerbouty]

Give them "old crusty and the accompanying double wide panties! "Oh the humanity!"

[Robert_Paulson2]

They have stained the military.

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baloney.
they gave us a good laugh.
and should be rewarded.

panties to their heads. that's what I say.
maybe you need a pair too.

how appropriate.

[Robert_Paulson2]

precisely and THANKS for pointing it out.

[joemoe]

so your petty need for revenge outweighs the terrible loss that these pictures represented for our side? your desire to see the enemy humilated is more important than denying propaganda to the enemy? make no mistake, the terrorists love it when we behave in this manner. they adore these pictures of abuse. are you happy to be helping them out?

[Robert_Paulson2]

baloney.
He and the joint cheifs are delaying justice while we all laugh it up in the smokey back room. Abdul, the would be human wood chipper, pi$$ing himself over the islamic horror of a size 14 hilary brand, crust and flush pair of panties hanging over his size 18 nose....

Honestly, do you believe that 'oh the humanity' panty diatribe you guys from the DU are spouting? a dei moi! roflmao. What a thong party!

Most of America is laughing their butz off at the 'oh my panties' liberal whiners around here these days. NOBODY cares about the poor islamic terrorists in the jail. LEAST of all the reasonable muslims in their own country.

THEY are scratching their heads, genuinely wondering WHY we didn't remove their heads without a trial or feed them to the closest hamburger grinder. Probably wishing we had, now that the ones we let lose, in good will gestures, are out bombing the locals to hell.

Nobody cares about the poor widdle used pantie victims. NOBODY.

With any luck, Lyndie will get off scott free.
then all the liberal 'oh the poor pantyheaded islamist victim' whiners, can go ballistic over how the bush administration does not care... it's an immoral war and blah blah blah...

WAAAHHHHaahhhh!!!!
Good.

[sheik yerbouty]

BTW, I support the use of these tactics on terrorists, only if thge panties are properrly soiled, perhaps with "a racing stripe"!

[Robert_Paulson2]

I cannot say I disagree with you.

[sheik yerbouty]

Then soiled panties it is!

[Robert_Paulson2]

I agree.

[USNBandit]

Denying the detrimental effects to America's mission in Iraq caused by these soldiers doesn't make it any less true. When these amateurs abuse prisoners it makes them more likely to rejoin the insurgency when they are released. Do you remember the hundreds of prisoners being released? Abused prisoners also become hardened against exploitation and are less likely to give up useful information. If extra pressure is needed to get info out of prisoners that is done by experts, not the not ready for primetime players.

[MEG33]

Bravo!

[Chieftain]

Her comander has been removed and her career ruined.

BGen Janis Karpinski was a sad excuse for a commander. She should be the one being court martialed for incompetence and dereliction of duty.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"baloney.
they gave us a good laugh.
and should be rewarded.

panties to their heads. that's what I say.
maybe you need a pair too.

how appropriate."

The only people who got a good laugh were depraved S.O.B.'s.
And if you could read, you would know that what happened was a lot worse than panties to the head (sodomy, rape). But that's all OK to you. You don't believe that war is moral, so why should our soldiers show any decency? ANYTHING is OK to you. You ignore the FACT that many of the people being held at the prison were of UNDETERMINED status. Many were later let go because they were civilians caught up in the sweep. But that's OK to you; our soldiers have no need for restraint, because war is immoral.

You used the examples before of Hiroshima and Dresden; they are COMPLETELY different. They had some legitimate military purpose. What these perverts did at this prison had nothing to do with any military objective. It was done for one reason only; they were sick individuals who were in a position of power. They disobeyed orders. They have no business being in our military. Even though they are a tiny minority of our soldiers, they have made it harder to get the support we need to fight the terrorists.

But what do you care? To you war is immoral. That statement alone disqualifies you from giving any serious commentary about this case.

[Conservative til I die]

Her dumb,careless actions ultimately aided the insurgency and indirectly led to the deaths of more US soldiers.

Yeah, cuz if they hadn't seen the footage on Al Jazzeera, the terrorists woulda beaten their AK's into plowshares.

[newzjunkey]

A medal?????? Are you insane? She should be tried for treason along with the father of her bastard baby. They brought unimaginable SHAME upon the United States and did more to stir discontent, stoke fires of hate-America types and give Ossama recruiting material than *anyone*.

[foxfield]

The people one rung up the ladder need to be held accountable.
These are the people who should have known what she and her buddies were doing.

[pctech]

You ever took the photos, then leaked those same photos, ought to be drawn and quartered (figuratively speaking of course). There was just no legimate use for those photos, and the scumbag who leaked them must have known this would hurt the war effort.

[plain talk]

Right. Americans including some FReepers are bedwetters about the stuff that happens in war. But they gave America a black eye and did some weird twisted things so they should be punished. Dishonorable discharge.