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1 posted on 05/04/2005 8:15:27 AM PDT by qam1
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2 posted on 05/04/2005 8:20:31 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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I'm of the growing opinion that I would do FAR better by my kids to either send them to a post high school trade college / program than traditional college. I'm also thinking that they will get a far better education starting their own business.
3 posted on 05/04/2005 8:21:01 AM PDT by taxcontrol (People are entitled to their opinion - no matter how wrong it is.)
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College does not prepare for real life

Gee, no sh . . . er, kidding!!
7 posted on 05/04/2005 8:26:41 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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OTOH, college can be a launching pad for future leaders like Sen. John Blutarski...

9 posted on 05/04/2005 8:27:57 AM PDT by TheBigB (Can we shave some fuzz off these woofers?)
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Not true in our family. We don't pop for College
Tuition unless the kiddoe knows of two possible
vocations he/she's interested in. And they sign
up for those courses after basics are finished.

Have a grandson now finishing his Junior year at
ASU Flagstaff. He played football through high
school and his Freshman year at college. Then
he decided to go into Sports Physical Therapy.
A great choice. He's already completed all his
Science requirements and several therapy courses.
He'll stay one extra year picking up a double
Masters in that field along with History. And
do his student teaching. He expects to start
out teaching High School with Social Studies/Sports
Coach Asst/Therapist. His goal is to get into the
Collegiate Sports Arena. Sounds like a Plan to me!

It's true re your statement about many kids not
having a clue as to what they want to do. But
that in part is the parents fault. Too often
they send their child off to college on the premise
"he will find himself." That happened years ago
in Kindergarten! At today's tuition prices, he'd
better damn well show more enthusiasm about his
potential slots in life.


18 posted on 05/04/2005 8:38:44 AM PDT by Grendel9
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I'm not disagreeing with everything the girl says, necessarily, but this same screed seems to appear in just about every college newspaper around this time of year. There's nothing new under the sun.

It was a luxury for the crem de la crem of society.

I suggest Amanda stay in school long enough to learn to spell a few French expressions, at any rate. Heaven knows she'll need to know such important stuff when she finally gets out in that infamous "real world."

22 posted on 05/04/2005 8:41:12 AM PDT by mountaineer
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After going around the block a few times, I have compiled a short list of things a person can do to enhance themselves much better than going to college. Here goes:

1. Sell Real Estate for a few years - great overall education in finance, contracts, sales, teamwork, etc.

2. Read, re-read and keep re-reading the book of Proverbs.

3. Study a martial art from an accomplished master. You will learn how to learn.

4. Read, re-read and keep re-reading the 'Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus'. You will then understand that you aren't nuts.

Please feel free to add to my list. Serious entries only, please.

23 posted on 05/04/2005 8:42:23 AM PDT by bankwalker (You get what you believe.)
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Four years of college and are we really any better off for it?

If you're going there to learn a trade, fine. If you're going there to pursue the truth, better. If you're going there to learn religion, even better.

But for most kids, it's four years older and deeper in debt.

27 posted on 05/04/2005 8:47:08 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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College graduates as a whole make more money, have lower divorce rates, and probably a bunch of other good things. A degree isn't a ticket to skate through life. A whole lot of work is still required.


29 posted on 05/04/2005 8:48:15 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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I've gone through several semesters at a community college (the first couple paid for by my parents, the last couple paid by me out of pocket) and while some of the programs are worthwhile, a lot of what is taught is useless. The only good classes I've had were in the history, political science and economics departments (though the liberal bias is astounding). I think I'm going to give an EMT-B certification a try and then consider moving on to paramedic later on (at least they won't be out-sourced LOL)


31 posted on 05/04/2005 8:51:45 AM PDT by sc2_ct (Veritas Aequitas)
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College, like everything else in life, offers as much as you wish to take from it. If you think that you will graduate and be King, then you are going to fail.

But if you use it for what it is, and understand that it is only a stepping stone, then you will be on your way to success.

36 posted on 05/04/2005 8:55:25 AM PDT by ContemptofCourt
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Many good engineering schools have project driven curriculum's. My company has numerous college project teams in at any given time doing real work for us. The student gets college credit, learns a new subject matter and how to practically use the knowledge in a commercial environment and they receive leadership from our managers. My company gets quasi free labor and a real good look at the talent pipeline we can grow from.

It is a truly symbiotic partnership.
42 posted on 05/04/2005 8:58:51 AM PDT by IamConservative (To worry is to misuse your imagination.)
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College does not prepare for real life

I didn't think it was supposed to. It may help, though.

45 posted on 05/04/2005 9:00:19 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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As someone still in college (and a history major, no less) I can relate with this article. Yet, I am now convinced that college is one of the best choices I've made, hands down.

The major thing for kiddo's to realize is that they have to focus on something. This is true for anything in life, not just college.

One more issue I take with the article "Six of the top 10" don't require degrees....this may be so but would you really be hurting yourself in the long run to get a degree?


47 posted on 05/04/2005 9:02:00 AM PDT by JakeWyld (Howie Dean -- the little king of the DNC. @ssclown!)
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As a person who finally acquired a college degree in his forties and who is now in his fifties, I'd have to say that the best chance for the average high school person to have a successful money making career is to get a tech school or vocational school degree rather than a liberal arts degree. I'm happy to have finally graduated, but I can't say as my degree in geography with a science emphasis has resulted in lucrative wages. My advice to high school grads is to get a degree or a skill in something that the world wants. Then get a lib arts degree.


54 posted on 05/04/2005 9:10:10 AM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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I have to say something, if only because I went to Amanda's college (Bowling Green State U. in Ohio). Maybe the depressing thing is that her article could have appeared in the college paper when I was there (Class of '73) without too many changes. At the time, though, there was a kind of general theory in the Liberal Arts sector that college was not trade school; you were there to get an overall education and specialization would come later. It sounded a little defensive, maybe because Bowling Green really was a trade school in some respects: it had started as a teachers' college and still was a teacher mill. A typical student you might run into in the bars downtown on Friday night was probably a girl named Debbie from Cleveland majoring in Elementary Education, and her more idealistic best friend was majoring in Special Education. The common joke was that Debbie and her friend were also looking for Mrs. degrees, but even that aside, the idea of becoming a grade school teacher was at least something solid in the way of sensible career planning, and more than a lot of us were doing over in Liberal Arts.
Me, I had gone to college without too much in the way of future plans, mainly to see what turned up. Rather incredibly, something did: I signed up for a program offering a year abroad in Austria as a way to get off campus for a year, spent my Junior year in Europe, came back with enough credits for a German major, discovered I could learn other languages, too, and to this day I work mostly as a translator. It sounds fairly organized and planned out in retrospect, but at the time I was blundering blindly and stumbling into things by sheer dumb luck. So I'm not inclined to fault Amanda too much for her evident terror when faced with the future. It's probably only too understandable for this particular time in her life.


56 posted on 05/04/2005 9:11:35 AM PDT by Deklane
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i was thinking that one ought to be "prepared" for real life by the time he steps into college...


57 posted on 05/04/2005 9:13:17 AM PDT by latina4dubya
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If real life means cheating, binge drinking and sleeping around...then college grads are perfectly qualified.


60 posted on 05/04/2005 9:16:26 AM PDT by Hildy
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I loved college! It was away to meet different people make life long friends and the only time one can be completely broke and still be happy!

I did not go to college with the understanding that it would prepare me for life...living prepares me for life, a bad day alive is better than a good day dead!
64 posted on 05/04/2005 9:24:48 AM PDT by ihv2bme
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Bummer dude.


***A third of college students do not qualify for a degree in six years and just because you don't graduate, doesn't mean you don't have to pay back student loans.


67 posted on 05/04/2005 9:28:42 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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