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Pat Robertson:No Muslim judges
World Net Daily ^ | May 3, 2005 | World Net Daily

Posted on 05/03/2005 2:33:03 PM PDT by 26lemoncharlie

Islamic leaders demand apology for 'hate-filled remarks'

© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

Evangelist Pat Robertson is in trouble with U.S. Islamic organizations for saying Muslims should not serve in the president's Cabinet or as judges.

Pat Robertson

In an appearance on ABC's "This Week with George Stephanopoulos" Sunday, Robertson, who ran for president in 1988, said if were elected he would not appoint Muslims to his Cabinet and that he was not in favor of Muslims serving as judges.

"They have said in the Quran there's a war against all the infidels," Robertson said. "Do you want somebody like that sitting as a judge? I wouldn't."

The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations yesterday called on "mainstream political and religious leaders" to repudiate the "hate-filled remarks."

"This type of hate-filled rhetoric deserves repudiation from all who respect America's long-standing tradition of pluralism," said Rabiah Ahmed, CAIR's communication coordinator.

Ahmed said many Muslims already serve with distinction in many levels of government, including judgeships at the state and local level.

Arsalan Iftikhar, CAIR's national legal director, said Robertson "has taken his far-right-wing rhetoric to absurd levels."

"He is trying to perpetuate this notion that Islam is a monolithic entity inherently at odds with modernity and democracy," Iftikhar said. "That is absolutely false. ... American Muslims have long been contributing members of American society.

Iftikhar added: "And I guarantee to Mr. Robertson that Muslims will one day become part of the federal bench -- whether or not he likes it."

Muslims were particularly outraged by a 2002 appearance on Fox News Channel's "Hannity & Colmes" program in which Robertson said about Islam's prophet, Muhammad: "This man was an absolute wild-eyed fanatic. He was a robber and a brigand. And to say that these terrorists distort Islam, they're carrying out Islam. ... I mean, this man (Muhammad) was a killer. And to think that this is a peaceful religion is fraudulent."

Robertson also called Islam "a monumental scam" and claimed the Quran "is strictly a theft of Jewish theology."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: courts; judges; judiciary; muslim; patrobertson; sharialaw
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To: teawithmisswilliams

"as compatible with freedom or democracy"

If Islam is so incompatible with democracy then how do you explain the success of democratic reforms in Iraq and Afghanistan?


101 posted on 05/03/2005 4:57:56 PM PDT by Ksnavely
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To: 26lemoncharlie

Can't be done: the Constitution forbids religious tests for public office. As President, Roberts would be immediately forsworn of his oath of office.


103 posted on 05/03/2005 4:58:36 PM PDT by Grut
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To: SedVictaCatoni
If they apply and uphold the laws of the United States, I don't care if they worship Marduk, Allah, or Venus Libitina.

It takes a person of deep love and respect of Judeo-Christian values to be an effective Judge, especially one who can weave their way through the minefield of US constitutional law.

Sorry, but I would not trust anyone with a love of Koran and/or Muslim law to be a US Judge.

104 posted on 05/03/2005 4:58:55 PM PDT by Edit35
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To: MississippyMuddy
What is a "moderate muslim"?

One who's run out of ammunition.

105 posted on 05/03/2005 5:01:15 PM PDT by MarineDad (Whenever mosques and JDAM's meet, civilization benefits.)
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To: TonyRo76
" Look, the tenets of Islam are fundamentally antithetical"

No FUNDAMENTALIST ISLAM is incompatible, normal Islam is perfectly compatible with democracy, we are witnessing that compatibility right now in Iraq and Afghanistan
106 posted on 05/03/2005 5:01:21 PM PDT by Ksnavely
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To: Ksnavely
If Islam is so incompatible with democracy then how do you explain the success of democratic reforms in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Nice. Those people who believe that Islam is incompatible with democracy must clearly be against the war then. After all, if the reason we are there is to export freedom and democracy, what would be the point if we already know they aren't capable of receiving it?
107 posted on 05/03/2005 5:02:49 PM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: Imperialist
One more time:


108 posted on 05/03/2005 5:02:59 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: 26lemoncharlie

Too late Pat . . .

http://www.cair-net.org/default.asp?Page=articleView&id=309&theType=NR

First Muslim Judge joins Maryland District Court
(Washington, DC, 7/31/2000)

In what may be a first for Maryland's Islamic community, a Muslim has been sworn in as a judge of the District Court in that state. (There are only a handful of Muslim judges nationwide.)

"God is merciful, and I pledge to show mercy from the bench - both for the accused and for those who have been wronged," said Judge Hassan Ali El-Amin.

Imam Yusuf Saleem of Masjid Muhammad in Washington, D.C., gave the invocation at the swearing-in ceremony. A number of judges and court officials at the event praised El-Amin for his integrity and work ethic. Imam W. Deen Muhammed also attended the event.

El-Amin was appointed by Maryland Governor Parris N. Glendening. Prior to his appointment, El-Amin worked as a defense attorney in Prince George's County, Maryland and in the District of Columbia. He completed his undergraduate studies at Yale University and received a law degree from the University of Maryland.

"Judge El-Amin's appointment shows that Muslims are entering and having a positive impact on every level of American society," said Nihad Awad, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), a Washington-based Islamic advocacy group. A CAIR representative also attended the swearing-in ceremony.


109 posted on 05/03/2005 5:03:34 PM PDT by obnogs
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To: cloud8

Seriously, Why do so many of you keep calling Islam a religion?


110 posted on 05/03/2005 5:05:00 PM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: liberty2004
" "No religious Test" meant you didn't need to have membership in any established denomination in order to hold public office. Period. Good point."

Um, if the founding fathers wanted to say no denomination test they would have said no denomination test. But the fact is they chose SPECIFIC language to convey a SPECIFIC point. RELIGOUS tests were not to be administered means just what is says, it protects all religions. You can rationalize your unwarranted contempt for a group of people all you want, just don't juxtapose your beliefs on to the founding fathers intentions.
111 posted on 05/03/2005 5:08:47 PM PDT by Ksnavely
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To: 26lemoncharlie
"IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD PREFER TO LIVE UNDER SHARIA LAW!??"

Apparently free Muslims don't want to anyways since Sharia is not being enforced in Turkey, Iraq, and Afghanistan. Again don't confuse fundamentalist Islam with mainstream Islam.
112 posted on 05/03/2005 5:10:28 PM PDT by Ksnavely
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To: expatguy
Seriously, Why do so many of you keep calling Islam a religion?

Probably for the same reasons we call Catholicism a religion, and Protestantism a religion, and Mormonism a religion.

Just because you disagree with something, or even think that it is evil, doesn't mean you can exclude it from the conceptual category it belongs in.

113 posted on 05/03/2005 5:15:45 PM PDT by dpwiener
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To: usa1776
"As an American, I'm offended that somebody would expect him or anyone else to."

Apparently you don't understand the concept of a free society. The Muslim association has just as much right to demand a apology as Pat has the right to say what he said. Pat also has the right to reject the demand.

"how little they understand about liberty when they want to enforce on another what that person can like or hate"

How is demanding an apology enforcing viewpoints? If you don't think he needs to apologize, and you speak that in a public forum are you violating the very principles of freedom you claim he is violating? What I mean is all they did was state their opinion (as you are doing here), I don't think that is a violation of free societal principles
114 posted on 05/03/2005 5:19:18 PM PDT by Ksnavely
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To: 26lemoncharlie

Robertson...a voice of reason.


115 posted on 05/03/2005 5:22:10 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: dpwiener

I agree that yranny under any banner is frought with peril. My simple question is will you follow the constitution or will you try to manipulate it into something unrecognizable.


116 posted on 05/03/2005 5:27:10 PM PDT by dannyboy72 (How long will you hold onto the rope when Liberals pull us off the cliff?)
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To: dannyboy72
My simple question is will you follow the constitution or will you try to manipulate it into something unrecognizable.

Sorry, I'm not following your question. My point is that the Constitution explicity forbids a "religious test". And I am definitely in favor of following the Constitution, not trying to manipulate it into something unrecognizable.

In response to your original post, I have no problem with Muslims trying to convert other people to their faith, so long as the process remains voluntary. Lots of religions proselytize. Lots of religions would like everyone on earth to join them. So what? The only time a problem arises is when they resort to compulsion. This country has a long tradition (backed by its Constitution) of freedom and religious tolerance. And we have a 2nd Amendment to deal with any who would violate our liberties by imposing their religious views on us.

119 posted on 05/03/2005 5:46:26 PM PDT by dpwiener
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To: Wild Bill 10
"fundamentalist islam = jihad warrior.
mainstream islam = abu graub prisoner. "

I hope that was just a candid attempt at humor and not an attempt to prove some sort of substantive point.
120 posted on 05/03/2005 5:49:27 PM PDT by Ksnavely
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