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To: yellowdoghunter
She is 13. You really think this child having a baby is going to help anything? Obviously she would not be able to keep it if she did and it would it end up in adoption hell.
I can't agree with this poor child having the baby.
This is one of those Grey areas in the abortion debate and also we don't know the circumstances of how she got pregnant, was statutory rape involved, etc..
30 posted on 05/03/2005 8:00:20 AM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: Captain Peter Blood

How is murdering the baby going to help things?

I see no grey in this matter. She could be carrying the child that cures cancer for all we know.


32 posted on 05/03/2005 8:02:07 AM PDT by yellowdoghunter (FR is so popular that people repost our thoughts on different message boards! It is an honor!)
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To: Captain Peter Blood

How is being adopted by loving parents "adoption hell?"

The real problem is that she very well could choose to keep the baby. This would be her right, but the poor kid is almost certainly in no position to care for a baby. The infant would likely end up another ward of DCF, and the cycle would repeat.

Prayers for all involved.


33 posted on 05/03/2005 8:05:43 AM PDT by ellery (The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedience, and by parts. - Edmund Burke)
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To: Captain Peter Blood

There's nothing gray about this. It's not the baby's fault the mom is an idiot. As far as not knowing the circumstances, again, not the baby's fault. Feel to dream up any extraordinary possibilities you like by channelling the ghost of Erskin Caldwell, but it won't matter.

What is grey - that the baby won't be "loved"? God, think of all the lonely or obnoxious people we could execute by that standard!


35 posted on 05/03/2005 8:06:41 AM PDT by Puddleglum (Thank God the Boston blowhard lost)
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To: Captain Peter Blood
Obviously she would not be able to keep it if she did and it would it end up in adoption hell.

Adoption hell??? As an adoptive parent, I take offense at that. And as the kind of person who supports abortion, you no doubt agree that offending others is vastly worse than butchering innocent babies, so you are destined to rot in (PC) hell your own self.

36 posted on 05/03/2005 8:12:17 AM PDT by madprof98
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To: Captain Peter Blood

That won't be a popular post but I agree. This kid is probably screwed up bad and has no business having babies. If she had this baby most likely the court would let her keep the child if that's what she wanted. They'd live in a foster home after foster home together. She'd be a terrible mother and probably end up having several more kids, all of which would end up being wards of the state who would probably end up being as screwed up as their mother. Then they'd have a bunch of kids themselves at a young age who would probably end up as wards of the state or on government assistance. It just keeps on going.

I see these kids all the time in juvenile court. Their parents are worthless. The kids are perpetual screw ups like their parents that I'll see in adult felony court a few years down the road, just like I see their parents now. They get pregnant as teens, just like their mothers did and like their mothers they end up being terrible parents with screwed up kids. Only it starts out with a couple of bad parents and then through these accelerated generations the family tree fans out like a pyramid from the top down.


39 posted on 05/03/2005 8:16:54 AM PDT by TKDietz
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To: Captain Peter Blood

Adoption is an excellent option. Unfortunately there is a huge stigma against adoption in this country. We need to change that attitude and there will be few abortions.

Too many women with unplanned pregnancies keep a baby they cannot properly mother instead of chosing adoption.


63 posted on 05/03/2005 10:01:13 AM PDT by pa mom
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To: Captain Peter Blood

Uh oh, you said grey area. They aren't going to like you for that!


64 posted on 05/03/2005 10:02:01 AM PDT by pa mom
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To: Captain Peter Blood
This is one of those Grey areas in the abortion debate

Killing the unborn does not make a better solution to this tragedy.
Adoption hell---please explain your description.

137 posted on 05/03/2005 4:58:12 PM PDT by NautiNurse ("I'd rather see someone go to work for a Republican campaign than sit on their butt."--Howard Dean)
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To: Captain Peter Blood

Better Dead Than Adopted?

What kind of BS is that?


138 posted on 05/03/2005 5:04:11 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: Captain Peter Blood
"You really think this child having a baby is going to help anything? Obviously she would not be able to keep it if she did and it would it end up in adoption hell.


Do you think your own birth "helped anything"? I don't know you, but I bet you've done some good in your lifetime.

What exactly is "adoption hell"? My three adopted kids have repeatedly thanked us for adopting them, and seem to really feel loved and secure in our family. They're still young, but I know their births have indeed helped make this world a better place.
228 posted on 05/04/2005 5:37:09 AM PDT by keats5
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To: Captain Peter Blood

"...it would wind up in adoption hell"


A. The child would still be alive.

B. Do you have any idea how fast BABIES get adopted?

C. We do not know the circumstances of how she got pregnant because the little would be killer won't say, so she can murder her little mistake away.

D. What the hell are we teaching our kids with a case like this? "If you get pregnant, don't worry I found a way to make the state pay for an abortion, all we need is the right judge"


235 posted on 05/04/2005 7:49:26 AM PDT by trubluolyguy ("Sure dolphins are friendly and smart, friendly and smart on rye bread with mayo")
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To: Captain Peter Blood

"was statutory rape involved"

Excellent question!

13 years old!!!! Unbelievable!


251 posted on 05/04/2005 7:26:20 PM PDT by Fruit of the Spirit
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To: Captain Peter Blood
"was statutory rape involved"

Since a girl that is 13 is too young to consent to have sex, it was rape since it was without her consent. It Doesn't make a difference how old the rapist father was or is.

A pregnancy that is a result of a rape could be considered a continued assault on the victim. If you look at it that way, she has a right to defend herself. Not only from the rapist but from the offspring of the rapist.
258 posted on 05/05/2005 11:28:08 AM PDT by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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