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Well we have to make sure the Republican Congress does not pass this bill. They have become more wimpy by the minute and alot of Republican congressmen and women seem to want to suck up to Hillary.
1 posted on 05/03/2005 7:08:11 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone

Seems I missed her position on the State of Washington fraud situation. Do I need to guess?


2 posted on 05/03/2005 7:09:22 AM PDT by CT CONSERVATIVE (Fight Crime: Shoot Back)
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"The Count Every Vote For Democrats Act provides for common sense reforms that will make an immediate difference in making sure we crush the Evil Republicans by any means necessary," the top Democrat promises.
3 posted on 05/03/2005 7:13:51 AM PDT by Thrusher (Remember the Mog.)
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To: areafiftyone

Another waste of time over a bunch of BS, so the wimpy Republicans will probably go along with it.


4 posted on 05/03/2005 7:17:40 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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5 posted on 05/03/2005 7:28:13 AM PDT by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
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I thought that it was in the constitution that if you committed a felony that you gave up your right to vote.

Hopefully someone here can enlighten me on the subject. I always learn something new on FR every day.


6 posted on 05/03/2005 7:38:41 AM PDT by PureTrouble
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To: areafiftyone

she just wants to make sure she and Bubba can continue to vote if all their sleaze is revealed


7 posted on 05/03/2005 7:38:46 AM PDT by Dr Snide (vis pacem, para bellum - Prepare for war if you want peace)
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To: areafiftyone

Oh, goodie. More ammo for 2008.


8 posted on 05/03/2005 8:47:44 AM PDT by TeenagedConservative
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JMO, hillary can play some on FR(and those on Newsmax for that part) like a violin, she says a sentence saying that she will be tough on immigration, and some swoon over her.

Some will never learn, IMO.

9 posted on 05/03/2005 8:51:07 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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Yep. Hillary Clinton is wishing for convicted child molestors to be able to vote. For her. And her buddies.


12 posted on 05/03/2005 9:28:55 AM PDT by Alia
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To: areafiftyone

Excuse me, how does giving the voter a piece of paper ensure the vote totals are reported correctly at the end of the day?

13 posted on 05/03/2005 10:15:54 AM PDT by Dilbert56
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To: areafiftyone

The bit about letting ex-cons vote is hardly the worst thing about that legislation.




Hillary's Election Scam Bill
By Byron York
The Hill | March 21, 2005

Let’s say it’s Election Day 2008. You really, really, really want to vote for the Democratic nominee for president, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.), but you’re not registered to vote. You also don’t have a driver’s license or any sort of official photo identification that would tell the people down at the polling place who you are.

You don’t even have anything to show that you’re an American citizen.

But it’s Election Day, and you still want to vote for Clinton. What do you do?

Well, you go right down to that polling place, tell them you want to register, on the spot, and vote. And if anybody questions you, tell them you don’t need a prior registration, or a photo ID, proof of citizenship or anything else.

Clinton said so.

She really did — just a few weeks ago, in the form of her new bill, the Count Every Vote Act of 2005.

Although Clinton calls the measure “critical to restoring America’s faith in our voting system,” it might more accurately be described as the most wide-ranging assault ever on the idea that there should be minimum enforceable standards for voters. Just look at some of its provisions.

One section says, “Each state shall permit an individual on the day of a Federal election to register to vote in such election at the polling place ... [and] to cast a vote in such election and have that vote counted in the same manner as a vote cast by an eligible voter who properly registered during the regular registration period.”

Another provision says, “Each state and jurisdiction shall accept and process a voter registration application for an election for Federal office unless there is a material omission or information that specifically affects the eligibility of the voter. There shall be a presumption that persons who submit voter registration applications should be registered.”

And a third section adds, “The following shall not constitute a ‘material omission or information that specifically affects the eligibility of the voter’: (1) The failure to provide a Social Security number or driver’s license number. (2) The failure to provide information concerning citizenship or age in a manner other than” a simple statement that one is a citizen.

Put all those together and you have a recipe for chaos. Anyone can show up on Election Day, register and vote, and officials would have no way of knowing whether that person was eligible to vote or not. All Clinton would require is that the person “affirm” that he or she is eligible to vote.

And, as they say, that’s not all.

The Count Every Vote Act of 2005 would also require states to allow anyone to cast a provisional vote anywhere in a state, no questions asked. The number of provisional votes one might cast would be limited only by the number of polling places that could be visited in a day.

The bill would also allow felons to vote after they’ve done their time and are off probation (this is the provision that attracted a lot of criticism from conservatives, although it’s hardly the worst thing in the bill). And it would require that the federal government force states to ensure “an equal waiting time for all voters” at all polling places.

Seriously. The bill actually directs the federal Election Assistance Commission to devise a formula for voting line length.

That formula would be based on “the voting age population; voter turnout in past elections; the number of voters registered; the number of voters who have registered since the most recent federal election; Census data for the population served by such voting site; the educational levels and socio-economic factors of the population served by such voting site; the needs and numbers of disabled voters and voters with limited English proficiency; [and] the type of voting systems used.”

And those are not even the most important parts of the bill, at least according to Clinton. The most crucial provision, she says, is the one requiring that voting machines produce an “individual voter-verifiable paper record” of each vote. That’s a nod to those Democrats who believe that Karl Rove somehow personally hacked the touch-screen voting machines in Ohio to deny Sen. John Kerry his rightful victory.

Making touch-screen machines produce a paper record turns out to be quite complicated, introducing new possibilities for error into the process. But what the hell — Clinton’s entire bill introduces all sorts of new possibilities for error into the process.

In fact, the Count Every Vote Act of 2005 might be viewed as a massive, wholly intentional attempt to introduce new possibilities for error into the system, with the hope that most of the errors will benefit Democrats.

Clinton says her bill will “improve the franchise and truly improve our democracy.”

Even if she has to wreck the system to do it.




http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17414


Qwinn


21 posted on 05/03/2005 3:56:59 PM PDT by Qwinn
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I can't want for it to be debated on the floor of the senate.

The felon gets the vote of the person they murdered.

22 posted on 05/03/2005 4:00:36 PM PDT by mware ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche........ "Nope, you are"-- GOD)
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This bill ensures that every electronic voting machine provides a verified paper ballot for every vote cast; sets uniform standards for provisional ballots; and requires uniform access to voting machines so residents of minority communities will not have to wait hours to cast their ballots while other precincts in the same state are voting in minutes!"

The controversy begins when a voter, out of confusion, carelessness or other human failing, somehow miscasts his vote.


23 posted on 05/04/2005 2:26:43 AM PDT by Beth528
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Is this the Willie Horton Voting Act?


24 posted on 05/04/2005 2:37:54 AM PDT by Always Right
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But in an email pitching the measure to supporters, Mrs. Clinton makes no mention of the bill's most controversial provision - eliminating voting restrictions on ex-cons.

Ooopsie.

Nobody's gonna buy the smartest woman in America forgetting about that part....

26 posted on 05/04/2005 4:41:26 AM PDT by mewzilla
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Maybe a good way to drill it into the heads of the softees, is to put together a factual Top Ten List of reasons why this is such a ridiculous bill. The most fun would be using studies put together by liberal think-tanks as the proof! Here is one for starters:

10) The population of those being released from prisons contains a rapidly increasing number of "churners," or "those who have already failed once on parole and been readmitted to prison, and released again . . ." which, for example, in New Jersey, has risen from 18% in 1980 to "over one third of all admissions by the late 1990s," http://www.njisj.org/reports/prisoner_reentry.html. It is the "fastest growing category of prison admissions."

This provides stark proof that a rapidly increasing percentage of those being released from our prisons -- those very same people Hillary Clinton and, her co-sponsor, John Kerry, want to become our "brandy newest" voters -- will soon either violate their parole, or commit some new crime against law-abiding citizens in our society, and eventually go back to jail. And that's just the ones we're catching!

Nice logic! We know more and more of them every day are re-offending or violating their parole, so we should just LET THEM NULLIFY THE VOTES OF EVERYONE ELSE! HUH?
27 posted on 05/07/2005 7:24:07 PM PDT by Trochilus
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