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New arena for birth-control battle
Star Tribune ^ | May 3, 2005 | Rene Sanchez

Posted on 05/03/2005 5:33:17 AM PDT by wallcrawlr

Rebecca Polzin walked into a drugstore in Glencoe, Minn., last month to fill a prescription for birth control. A routine request. Or so she thought.

Minutes later, Polzin left furious and empty-handed. She said the pharmacist on duty refused to help her. "She kept repeating the same line: 'I won't fill it for moral reasons,' " Polzin said.

Earlier this year, Adriane Gilbert called a pharmacy in Richfield to ask if her birth-control prescription was ready. She said the person who answered told her to go elsewhere because he was opposed to contraception. "I was shocked," Gilbert said. "I had no idea what to do."

The two women have become part of an emotional debate emerging across the country: Should a pharmacist's moral views trump a woman's reproductive rights?

No one knows how many pharmacists in Minnesota or nationwide are declining to fill contraceptive prescriptions. But both sides in the debate say they are hearing more reports of such incidents -- and they predict that conflicts at drugstore counters are bound to increase.

"Five years ago, we didn't have evidence of this, and we would have been dumbfounded to see it," said Sarah Stoesz, president of Planned Parenthood of Minnesota, North Dakota and South Dakota. "We're not dumbfounded now. We're very concerned about what's happening."

But M. Casey Mattox of the Center for Law and Religious Freedom said it is far more disturbing to see pharmacists under fire for their religious beliefs than it is to have women inconvenienced by taking their prescription to another drugstore. He also said that laws have long shielded doctors opposed to abortion from having to take part in the procedure.

"The principle here is precisely the same," Mattox said.

(Excerpt) Read more at startribune.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: conscienceclause; pharmacy
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To: Zeroisanumber
If it's legal, and they sell it at his pharmacy, then he should hand it over and STFU.

There's a bigger issue here. It's one thing if an employee of a pharmacy refuses to sell something that his employer wants him to sell (the employer should have the right to fire the employee). What these cases involve are attempts on the part of these feminist groups to force the employer to sell something that the employer does not want to sell. That was the basis of that idiotic law recently passed in Illinois that basically forces a pharmacy to sell any contraceptive product approved by the FDA.

161 posted on 05/03/2005 10:16:02 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but lord I'm free.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Every seller of a gun could be a party to a suicide.

Or a homicide. Now, would you support an individual gun seller's right to refuse to sell to someone he suspected of being sui- or homocidial?

Even if it was all "legal"?

SD

162 posted on 05/03/2005 10:17:30 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Bones75

They can go somewhere else for the pill.


163 posted on 05/03/2005 10:19:21 AM PDT by HapaxLegamenon
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To: joesnuffy

I agree with you about sex outside of marriage, but married couples use birth control too.


164 posted on 05/03/2005 10:19:36 AM PDT by k2blader (Immorality bites.)
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To: blaquebyrd
What if it's against your religion to sell liquor, cigarettes or nudie magazines? You shouldn't take the job if the duties of that job violate your moral or religious beliefs.

But I am free to open my own store that does not sell liquor, cigarettes or pornography. These pharmacists should be free to do the same.

165 posted on 05/03/2005 10:22:53 AM PDT by HapaxLegamenon
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To: k2blader
I agree with you about sex outside of marriage, but married couples use birth control too.

If they use the pill then some percentage of the time they have in fact procured an early abortion.

SD

166 posted on 05/03/2005 10:23:42 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: fdcc; Campion; ninenot; ga medic; SoothingDave

The "every sperm is sacred" comment was just a humorous statement I threw in there because, well, I thought it was funny.

Also, please show me where I proclaimed to be well versed in Catholic theology?

This is the way I see it: If you deliberately schedule your sexual encounters with your wife around her window of ovulation, then you are preventing conception. That is no different than taking a pill that prevents conception.

Oh and could someone please point me to where in the bible it states that artificial contraception is wrong but NFP is fine? I'm serious, no sarcasm.


167 posted on 05/03/2005 10:24:20 AM PDT by kx9088
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To: ga medic
The difference, as I understand it, is one largely of intent. A pill that induces a period post conception is a de facto abortive. Whether that pill is "the pill," the intent of which is to prevent ovulation taken in atypical dosage, or an RU-486-type pill, the intent of which is to force menstruation, is not the determining factor. There are even herbs a woman can take to induce this type of abortion.

The socio-political importance of the issue is to condition the public to equate the forced menstruation of a fertilized egg (abortion) with the forced menstruation of an unfertilized egg, thus facilitating abortion-on-demand and especially that for minors without parental consent.

The difference is no less than that between abortion and contraception. The goal of the abortion industry is to blur the line and force those pharmacists who object to abortion on moral or religious grounds to provide the means of abortion.
168 posted on 05/03/2005 10:24:46 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: SoothingDave

Medical evidence?

And how could you have proof of such a statement without doing thorough medical tests on each married couple using the pill, the woman in particular?


169 posted on 05/03/2005 10:26:36 AM PDT by k2blader (Immorality bites.)
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To: HapaxLegamenon

It is becoming clear how many Freepers must use/really on the pill.


170 posted on 05/03/2005 10:26:41 AM PDT by HapaxLegamenon
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To: HapaxLegamenon

I own a business and was approached to do business with an immoral group of people. Not wanting to gain a lawsuit, I merely quoted them a price that would still allow me to sleep at night. They went elsewhere. I heard the someone had cut my price by 75%.


171 posted on 05/03/2005 10:29:11 AM PDT by phil1750 (Love like you've never been hurt;Dance like nobody's watching;PRAY like it's your last prayer)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

If it is true that the pill can cause forced menstruation of a fertilized egg, I would agree it would be equivalent to an abortion.

But is it true?


172 posted on 05/03/2005 10:30:17 AM PDT by k2blader (Immorality bites.)
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To: k2blader
Medical evidence?

I believe others cited above that the pill works in this fashion in 3-5% of the cases. Do you doubt that it has this mechanism?

And how could you have proof of such a statement without doing thorough medical tests on each married couple using the pill, the woman in particular?

So you want plausible deniability? Is that it? Maybe your wife's body works differently than those of the test subjects. But I sure wouldn't risk life and death on that supposition.

And isn't that what we are talking about? Snuffing out a unique human creature because of unnecessary medications that you deliberately and with forethought engaged in?

SD

173 posted on 05/03/2005 10:31:43 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave

I don't have a wife.

And I haven't read through this whole thread. I may later though.


174 posted on 05/03/2005 10:33:05 AM PDT by k2blader (Immorality bites.)
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To: kx9088
This is the way I see it: If you deliberately schedule your sexual encounters with your wife around her window of ovulation, then you are preventing conception. That is no different than taking a pill that prevents conception.

That is like saying that going on a diet is the same thing as eating your cake and then using ipecac to throw it all up. The end result is the same caloric intake. What's the difference?

SD

175 posted on 05/03/2005 10:34:48 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

I think I understand what you are saying. I just want to make sure that I have my facts right. My understanding is that the pill and the morning after pill can cause an early abortion in a small percentage of cases because they can prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus. They will not however interfere with a pregnancy once the fertilized egg is implanted. RU 486 on the other hand will cause even a fertilized and implanted egg to be aborted and will also do this until quite late in a pregnancy. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong about these. I do agree with you on the confusion of lines between contraception and abortion. I have argued this point many time with some pro-choice friends. They have varying degrees of understanding, but I like to make sure that I know what I am talking about before I get into these discussions with them. Thanks for the info.


176 posted on 05/03/2005 10:40:47 AM PDT by ga medic
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To: SoothingDave

Exactly, NFP and an oral contraceptive are methodically different with the same intentions for the end result.

How do you feel about fertility medicine?


177 posted on 05/03/2005 10:44:14 AM PDT by kx9088
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To: ga medic
My understanding is that the pill and the morning after pill can cause an early abortion in a small percentage of cases because they can prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus. They will not however interfere with a pregnancy once the fertilized egg is implanted. RU 486 on the other hand will cause even a fertilized and implanted egg to be aborted and will also do this until quite late in a pregnancy.

This is essentially correct, though there are two points to be made. One is that the RU-486 process actually involves two drugs, one to loosen up the works and one to cause the cramping and "expelling." One drug is taken at home, the other is an injection at a doctor's office. The woman then goes home and expells and hopes she doesn't bleed to death.

Second is that RU-486 is only for early term abortions. If the fetus is too large, the woman can not expell it and could have quite severe complications.

SD

178 posted on 05/03/2005 10:46:07 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: kx9088
Exactly, NFP and an oral contraceptive are methodically different with the same intentions for the end result.

As long as the means don't matter, you are correct. One respects the natural cycle, the other does not.

How do you feel about fertility medicine?

If there are deficiencies or medical problems that require treatment, then they can be treated. They aim to restore the body to its proper function.

"Medicines" which aim to make the body behave in un-natural ways are to be avoided. Hyper stimulation of the ovaries, for example.

SD

179 posted on 05/03/2005 10:49:42 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave

So, nature is ok for one instance but in the other if you have to go artificial it's ok? Got hypocrisy?

I was expecting a line like "if that's the way your were born then that was God's plan for you" type of statement.

Because obviously you don't want to stop God's natural process when it comes to birth control, so why would it be ok to interfere in the other case?


180 posted on 05/03/2005 10:53:28 AM PDT by kx9088
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