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Vietnam: The Fog of War or the Smoke of Propaganda?
NewsMax ^ | 5/3/05 | Carlton Sherwood

Posted on 05/02/2005 5:51:21 PM PDT by wagglebee

Thirty years ago, Americans were transfixed by the chaotic images flickering across their TV screens. Hordes of frantic South Vietnamese men, women and children desperately clinging to the U.S. Embassy fence in Saigon, pleading for escape. Chinook helicopters teetering precariously on the Embassy roof, evacuating the last Americans even as North Vietnamese Communist Army tanks rolled into the outskirts of the city. Huey gunships, the very symbol of American combat power in Vietnam, commandeered by fleeing South Vietnamese Army pilots, either ditched into the sea or pushed overboard from the decks of crowded American aircraft carriers.

If the film footage wasn't compelling enough to make the point, all three television networks, the only sources of broadcast news in the last days of April 1975, made certain their audience got the message. This undignified, ignominious retreat, they reported, marked the end of the Vietnam War, a shameful chapter in U.S. military history, "the first war America lost." Even today, that same theme is echoed by one of those network news anchors, CBS's Walter Cronkite. "We knew we had lost in Vietnam before we saw that final day," he said in a recent interview marking the thirtieth anniversary of the fall of Saigon. "It taught the military a very important lesson that I think it has begun to forget in some ways, that it could not fight an unpopular war. We were clearly not omnipotent. We shouldn't be arrogant about our power and the use of our power."

You could almost hear Cronkite's familiar sign-off, "And that's the way it is."

But was it, really? Did the U.S. military lose the Vietnam War? If not, who was responsible? And what about the Cronkite's remark: "It taught the military a very important lesson that I think it has begun to forget in some ways, that it could not fight an unpopular war." Unpopular with whom, the dominant leftist media?

Perhaps a more important question: Is it the fog of war or the dense smoke of over three decades of political, anti-military propaganda that continues to confuse and divide Americans about the true history of Vietnam?

Certainly, Vietnam is used routinely today to accuse the U.S. military in Iraq and to question America's Global War on Terrorism. But is that rhetoric based on fact or on so much 1960s anti-war revisionist bunkum, more the stuff of Hollywood fantasies than the real, documented history of those who served in Vietnam?

Now, thanks to a distinguished group of Vietnam combat veterans, the American public is beginning to hear different, far more factual answers to those questions and many others. This time, they will get it straight from those who know Vietnam best, former POWs, American pilots held in North Vietnam prison camps for years, in places like the infamous "Hanoi Hilton," where they were brutally tortured, beaten, starved and sometimes murdered by their Communists captors.

Earlier this year, the former POWs created the Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation (VVLF), a non-profit educational organization designed, in part, to "separate truth from fiction, to expose the myths about Vietnam and those who perpetrate them and, to do so, factually and accurately."

The chairman of the VVLF is Col. George E. "Bud" Day, a Medal of Honor recipient and Air Force pilot who was held prisoner by the North Vietnamese Communists for six years. Other VVLF Board Directors include POWs Col. Kenneth Cordier, CMDR. Paul Galanti and Marine pilot James Warner. Mary Jane McManus, the wife of former POW Kevin McManus, is also on the board, along with Army combat veterans Robert A. McMahon and Wallace Nunn, who also serves as Chairman of the Medal of Honor Foundation.

Last week, the VVLF launched its new Web site, www.vietnamlegacy.org, which contains full bios of each Board member and several links to other informational Web pages and references for scholarly works on Vietnam history.

If the names of Col. Day and others on the VVLF Board seem familiar, they should be. Last year, they were among the handful of Vietnam combat veterans who publicly denounced Sen. John Kerry for his post-Vietnam activities, for his "slander and betrayal of all those who served in Vietnam."

First in Swift Boat TV ads and later in the documentary "Stolen Honor: Wounds that Never Heal," the VVLF Board members excoriated Kerry for his 1971 testimony before the U.S. Senate, where he accused the POWs and other Vietnam combat veterans of genocide, deliberately "murdering" and "torturing" hundreds of thousands of innocent Vietnamese civilians.

At the time of Kerry's Senate testimony, all of the VVLF POWs were still being held in North Vietnam prison camps under constant threat of execution as "war criminals." In "Stolen Honor" they vividly recall the reaction of their Communist captors to Kerry's accusations and the demoralizing effects of propaganda by such anti-war activists as Jane Fonda.

"Stolen Honor" was scheduled for airing in early October 2004 on 62 Sinclair Broadcast network stations. However, the Kerry Campaign, the Democratic National Committee, 18 U.S. Democrat senators and several "Old Media" national news organizations launched an all-out, concerted effort to have the documentary censored from the airwaves and banned from being shown even in privately owned theaters.

Eventually, however, "Stolen Honor" was seen by millions of Americans in the closing days of the election, when it was made available for free on the Web site www.stolenhonor.com.

Editor's Note: NewsMax also paid for the film to be shown the weekend before the election on the PAX-TV network and on numerous local stations across the nation, including ABC, CBS and NBC affiliates.

Frustrated by the political Left's determination to silence them and concerned about the public's lack of understanding about Vietnam history and those who fought in that war (most Americans alive today were not born before 1972), the POWs hope to provide a counter-balance to the propaganda that still permeates the media and public education today.

For example, contrary to the assertions of Cronkite and others in the mainstream press, the American military had nothing to do with the fall of Saigon, much less losing the war. The last American combat unit left Vietnam in August 1972, nearly three years before the 1975 Communist invasion. The U.S. military remained undefeated in battle throughout the Vietnam War.

Instead, it was Congress – more specifically, the nearly 2-to-1 Democrat majority in the Senate (61 to 37) and the House (291 to 144) in 1975 – that voted to cut off all military funding to the Saigon government that was directly responsible for the defeat of South Vietnam.

Congressional Democrats literally abandoned our South Vietnamese allies and it was they, not the U.S. military, who were responsible for the carnage that followed, the slaughter, imprisonment and forced "re-education" of millions of innocent civilians throughout Southeast Asia by an avenging North Vietnamese Army.

There's another little-known fact.

Several months after the last U.S. ground combat forces left Vietnam in 1972, the North Vietnamese Communists and the Viet Cong signed the Paris Peace Accords, promising, among other things, to cease all hostilities and to NOT invade South Vietnam, much less conquer it, as they did in 1975.

Then and now, 30 years later, rarely is there ever a mention of this diplomatic treachery. Broken treaties, even ones for which the Nobel Peace Prize is awarded, apparently aren't worthy of mention in the evening news, certainly not in history textbooks, at least not when it comes to Vietnam.

As for the popularity of the war, among Walter Cronkite's friends and colleagues in the "Old Media" and the anti-war community, the war became "unpopular" in 1968, immediately after Democrat President Johnson announced he would not seek a second term and Republican Richard Nixon, who vowed to "bring peace with honor" to Vietnam, was elected.

For his efforts to withdraw American troops, eliminating the draft in the process, Nixon was rewarded with a landslide re-election victory in 1972 (521 to 17 electoral votes), burying his liberal Democrat opponent, Sen. George McGovern, who advocated a "cut and run" policy, a complete and immediate withdrawal from Vietnam.

If the only accurate polls are those taken in the voting booth, Nixon's lopsided re-election victory (46 million to 28 million votes) clearly demonstrated that an overwhelming majority of Americans still supported the war in Vietnam at least through 1972, probably much longer.

Media polls taken prior to the November 1972 election somehow missed tens of millions of Americans who supported the Nixon administration's war policies – the so-called "Silent Majority" – much as last year's media exit polls apparently failed to count a majority of Americans who had just voted to re-elect President Bush.

Those are but a few Vietnam myths spawned by political propagandists and the mainstream media, ones the Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation hopes to dispel.

While protecting and preserving the "honor and reputations" of those who served in Vietnam is paramount for the VVLF, their "mission" today is to prevent an inaccurate history of Vietnam to erode U.S. national security. They do not want history to repeat itself, provide "terrorists" a political victory in the halls of Congress or on the streets of America that they could not possibly achieve on the battlefield, much like the Communists did in Vietnam three decades ago.

Nor do they believe that the media, academics and show business entertainers should be allowed to go unchallenged when they regurgitate enemy propaganda and advocate the wholesale defeat of the U.S., as John Kerry, Jane Fonda and numerous other Leftists did while Americans were still fighting and dying on Vietnam battlefields and in Communist prison camps.

"The false history of Vietnam has been used to endanger and demoralize our troops in combat, undermine the public's confidence in U.S. foreign policy and weaken our national security," Foundation chairman Col. Day said. "Radical leftists such as Sen. Kerry and Jane Fonda lied about the war 35 years ago and are lying about it today. The goal of the VVLF is to continue the work of countering more than three decades of misinformation and propaganda, and set the record straight."

Carlton Sherwood is a Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative reporter, a thrice-wounded, decorated Marine Vietnam combat veteran and producer of the documentary "Stolen Honor."


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Instead, it was Congress – more specifically, the nearly 2-to-1 Democrat majority in the Senate (61 to 37) and the House (291 to 144) in 1975 – that voted to cut off all military funding to the Saigon government that was directly responsible for the defeat of South Vietnam.

Congressional Democrats literally abandoned our South Vietnamese allies and it was they, not the U.S. military, who were responsible for the carnage that followed, the slaughter, imprisonment and forced "re-education" of millions of innocent civilians throughout Southeast Asia by an avenging North Vietnamese Army.

There's another little-known fact.

Several months after the last U.S. ground combat forces left Vietnam in 1972, the North Vietnamese Communists and the Viet Cong signed the Paris Peace Accords, promising, among other things, to cease all hostilities and to NOT invade South Vietnam, much less conquer it, as they did in 1975.

Then and now, 30 years later, rarely is there ever a mention of this diplomatic treachery. Broken treaties, even ones for which the Nobel Peace Prize is awarded, apparently aren't worthy of mention in the evening news, certainly not in history textbooks, at least not when it comes to Vietnam.

The 'Rats betrayal of South Vietnam and America was one of the darkest moments in American history.

1 posted on 05/02/2005 5:51:45 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee
"It taught the military a very important lesson that I think it has begun to forget in some ways, that it could not fight an unpopular war.

The military doesn't decide which wars to fight in, Uncle Dumbass.

It's a good thing CBS and Cronkite weren't around during The Revolutionary War. That war wasn't very popular either.

2 posted on 05/02/2005 5:57:34 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Leftists would have no standards at all)
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To: Texas Eagle
It's a good thing CBS and Cronkite weren't around during The Revolutionary War. That war wasn't very popular either.

The Civil War was by far the most unpopular wars in our history, imagine if the leftist media had been around then; for that matter, World War I wasn't popular either.

3 posted on 05/02/2005 5:59:41 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
Congressional Democrats literally abandoned our South Vietnamese allies and it was they, not the U.S. military, who were responsible for the carnage that followed

To me this is the worst of the worst of the worst. Shame on Kerry and Kennedy, the disgusting so-called Catholic twosome from Massachussetts who led the charge to cut off funding.

God's blessings on the continuing efforts of the VVLF.

4 posted on 05/02/2005 6:01:52 PM PDT by what's up
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If Cronkite believes 'we lost' the war he should pat himself on the back because he did everything in his power to make
that happen...he abused his status as 'the most trusted man in America' to out right lie to mom and pop as they sat with their families watching CBS nightly leftist propaganda disguised as 'the truth'

Cronkite did his worst to turn the middle class and middle aged against our war efforts and then afterwards did his best to have Americans blame Vietnam veterans for the loss...

He is a disgusting bass turd and a liar...one of ten thousand
of his ilk who should have been tarred and feathered and run back to Hanoi,Moscow,Bejing, or Paris where he, like his soul brother John Kerry, both belong

imo


6 posted on 05/02/2005 6:06:15 PM PDT by joesnuffy (The generation that survived the depression and won WW2 proved poverty does not cause crime)
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To: wagglebee

It wasn't much of a war. But it was the only one we had.


7 posted on 05/02/2005 6:07:04 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse
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To: joesnuffy

8 posted on 05/02/2005 6:07:37 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

Cronkite's a moron.


9 posted on 05/02/2005 6:11:28 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Leftists would have no standards at all)
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To: cummingsga
America lost slightly less than 60,000 men in Vietnam, the North Vietnamese lost well over one million, had we fought another couple of years the North would not have had any more able-bodied men left to fight.

The left will continue to say that we "lost" the war, to which I have but one question:
Please cite for me which specific battle we lost that resulted in our defeat? Specifically, which battle was our "Yorktown", "Appomattox" or "Waterloo"?
(I have never received an answer to that question.)

10 posted on 05/02/2005 6:18:57 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Texas Eagle

No less an authority than Jimmah Cahtah himself said the Revolutionary War was a silly exercise.


11 posted on 05/02/2005 6:22:08 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Texas Eagle

Anybody know of any "popular" wars? Only a senile old moron like Wally Crankcase would think there is something called a "popular war." I know there is no one who has served in the military who can give you the name of a "popular" war. ALL wars are "unpopular" with those who have to fight them.


12 posted on 05/02/2005 6:23:33 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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To: wagglebee
Little remembered facts..
1) Vietnam was a war started by democrats.. finished by republicans..
2) Korea was a war started by democrats.. finished by republicans..

But that was when republicans had a spine.. but
Democrats have always been morons even in WWII.. and WWI..

13 posted on 05/02/2005 6:35:30 PM PDT by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe
For what it's worth, I believe that WWII was also won by Republicans.


14 posted on 05/02/2005 6:43:33 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

from June 69- Jan.77 we knew that the Beltway bunch had
lied and were our most clear and present danger.Today a
letter from a soldier in Iraq sounds an awaful lot like
we did. He says they know they were lied to- and he thinks the war is immoral. But he also says he is there by choice-- and they have done some good. And have made some positive changes. I am convinced America cannot win nor be
honest to those sent until/ unless we withdraw from the
enemies camp (The United Nations) So long as our leaders serve a foreign entity we cannot win.


15 posted on 05/02/2005 7:24:53 PM PDT by StonyBurk
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To: wagglebee
Thanks for the article. I know as a Vietnam vet we (the military) did not lose the war.


The North Viets and the liberals may think they won it. But there were a million of those little bastards that didn't get to march in the victory parade.
16 posted on 05/02/2005 8:47:44 PM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: Howlin; eddie willers; cajungirl; wirestripper; Southflanknorthpawsis; Peach; prairiebreeze; ...

Ping for a great article by Carlton Sherwood, producer of the Stolen Honor documentary.


17 posted on 05/03/2005 9:39:34 AM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times

Thanks for the ping!

""The false history of Vietnam has been used to endanger and demoralize our troops in combat, undermine the public's confidence in U.S. foreign policy and weaken our national security," Foundation chairman Col. Day said. "Radical leftists such as Sen. Kerry and Jane Fonda lied about the war 35 years ago and are lying about it today. The goal of the VVLF is to continue the work of countering more than three decades of misinformation and propaganda, and set the record straight."

The 3+ decades of lying about Viet Nam are the basic foundation of the Hate America Wing of the Lunatic Lefties.

They will never admit that they lied about Viet Nam, and the reality that we weren't defeated on the battle grounds. We were stabbed in the back by left wing congressits using the lies of the MSM as weapons.


18 posted on 05/03/2005 9:54:14 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 5 decades.)
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To: Interesting Times

BTTT!!!!!!


19 posted on 05/03/2005 10:00:55 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: Interesting Times

Thanks for the ping!


20 posted on 05/03/2005 10:07:17 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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