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To: Stoat
Why does the registration show Kardinal as his middle name? It would be like saying "Josef Mister Ratzinger" if he was a normal person. Is this how they use titles in Germany?
31 posted on 05/02/2005 11:02:57 PM PDT by Bostton1 (Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my guns have!)
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To: Bostton1
Why does the registration show Kardinal as his middle name? It would be like saying "Josef Mister Ratzinger" if he was a normal person. Is this how they use titles in Germany?

Without spending a few minutes Googling with keyword phrases such as "Germanic naming conventions" "Germanic titles grammar" "Formal Germanic titles grammar" "German automobile documentation" etc. etc. I am GUESSING that this is a naming convention that, in essence, replaces the parenthesis, as in this example:

George (President) Bush

Bill (Rapist, Scumbag, Liar, National Embarrassment) Clinton

etc.  (sorry about the second one, I couldn't resist).   By doing things this way, the Deutsche equivalent of our Department of Motor Vehicles would be able to alphabetize everyone by name, yet retain evidence of a special title that is important to their identification.  "Miss" , "Mister", etc. would not be the same sort of title as an honorary, elected or clerical title which would serve as a very specific identifier for a famous person.  It would provide an additional means by which they could differentiate the then-Cardinal Josef Ratzinger from the ten thousand (or more) other Josef Ratzingers in Germany.

Again, this is just a guess and German Freepers, Freeper Linguists with a Specialty in Germanic Languages, and Freepers Who Simply Know More Than The Stoat are of course welcome to add to this explanation or to debunk it entirely if that's appropriate   :-)

I hope that this might be of some help.

32 posted on 05/03/2005 1:10:45 AM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Bostton1
Is this how they use titles in Germany?

Not normally. I think it may be a Catholic Church thing in Germany to legally change the names of cardinals to have the title in the middle (a Fahrzeugbrief has your legal name on it). A professor with a doctorate (which is what Ratzinger was) would be referred to as "Prof. Dr. Josef Ratzinger" (and don't you dare leave the title out when referring to a Prof. Dr.), but I think his Fahrzeugbrief would likely just state "Josef Ratzinger." I've never seen a Fahrzeugbrief for a doctor, so I'm not too sure on that last bit. I could call one I know and ask, but calls to Germany are expensive on my phone plan.

39 posted on 05/05/2005 10:06:32 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Bostton1

It's a church thing. Bernard Cardinal Law was used in Boston and it has been this way during my long lifetime.


40 posted on 05/05/2005 10:14:46 AM PDT by Mears (Keep the government out of my face!)
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