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Come on Boeing, offer to stretch the 787-9. You CAN'T let Airbus win this! Get your sales teams in there! You MUST be flexible with your customers. You can't afford to lose Emirates.

1 posted on 05/01/2005 2:15:23 PM PDT by wk4bush2004
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I don't think Boeing has a chance to win this order. Emirates wants the A380-900 and if it takes ordering a bunch of A350's to get Airbus to agree, they'll do it.
2 posted on 05/01/2005 2:29:22 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Just Blame President Bush For Everything, It Is Easier Than Using Your Brain)
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Come on Boeing, offer to stretch the 787-9.

I seem to remember that there are docking-at-the-gate issues with the larger European aircraft. Further, the airlines have to look at the technology, speed, fuel consumption cost, etc.

When I have traveled to Europe and South America, you do not see Chevy Suburbans on the road. Ergo, bigger is not always better. IMOHO

3 posted on 05/01/2005 2:30:51 PM PDT by Cobra64
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"At the same time the UK government, desperate to boost manufacturing in the wake of carmaker MG Rover's collapse, is preparing to offer controversial launch aid for the A350, the newspaper added."




Now THIS is interesting. You mean Airbus has to be bribed ?


5 posted on 05/01/2005 2:57:08 PM PDT by Mears ("The Killer Queen,caviar and cigarettes")
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You can't afford to lose Emirates.

The game is rigged in Airbus' favor. France and other EU governments subsidize Airbus and cover it's massive losses.

Aeropspatiele(sp?) is basically a socialistic jobs program for France, UK, Spain, Italy, and several other EU nations. It can sell planes for nothing down and no payment due on principal for up to ten years in certain circumstances. Boeing as a private company can't match a subsidized deal like that.

My son is a pilot with a major U.S. airline. When the company went shopping for planes to replace it's old Boeing 727 fleet, Airbus made it a deal it couldn't refuse given it's poor financial condition. As a result, he is now flying Airbus 319s and 320s instead of the 727s he had flown for years. He says the Airbus' are good planes and he likes the fly by wire control system now that he's gotten used to it, but personally I would feel more at ease if he was still flying Boeings.

8 posted on 05/01/2005 5:39:39 PM PDT by epow (Get the U.S. out of the UN and the UN out of the U.S.,)
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I think that Emirates Airways is using Airbus as a negotiating ploy to get a better deal on the 777-200LR, which is better-suited for that airline's long-range routes from Dubai. After all, Emirates Airways already has a substantial 777-300ER order, and the 777-200LR is essentially a 777-300ER in 777-200 fuselage length.

Besides, just how many A350-900's will Emirates Airways order? Even a 40-plane order may not justify the considerable amount of money Airbus will have to spend to develop the plane.

12 posted on 05/01/2005 8:15:58 PM PDT by RayChuang88
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This is a deal Boeing should let Airbus have.

1. Emirates, given their A380 orders, has Airbus over a barrell and the pricing is going to reflect it.

2. Virtually everyone acknowledges the A350 is a bad design, let Airbus lock themselves into it. It's better in the long run for Boeing.
19 posted on 05/02/2005 2:26:05 PM PDT by Daus
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