Posted on 04/30/2005 5:21:01 AM PDT by Founding Father
Bank of America insists it can't find slave profits in its past
April 30, 2005
BY FRAN SPIELMAN City Hall Reporter
Under fire from the City Council's champion for slave reparations, Bank of America stuck to its guns Friday: The bank has hired a researcher to dig deeper but has so far has uncovered no evidence that a predecessor bank invested in or profited from the slave trade.
To the contrary, Bank of America said its research suggests that the predecessor, Providence Bank, "distanced itself from and declined to support slavery-related activities." That's even though John Brown -- Providence Bank's founding president, director and shareholder -- was a well-known slave owner who arranged for the transportation of slaves.
Founded in 1791, Providence Bank is a predecessor of Fleet Boston, which was acquired by Bank of America last year.
"First, the research disclosed no evidence establishing that the Providence Bank had investments or profits from slavery. Second, there is no indication of the source of the funds used by Brown to purchase his 23 shares in the bank. Last, the evidence suggests that the bank, in fact, avoided slave-related activities of John Brown or any other bank customer," said the bank's attorney V. Duncan Johnson.
'We won't stop'
Ald. Dorothy Tillman (3rd) accused "arrogant" bank officials of providing "selective and fraudulent" information to a joint City Council committee.
Tillman said research conducted by her daughter at some of the same places Bank of America looked -- the Rhode Island Historical Society and Brown University Library -- has already produced evidence that Providence Bank made loans used to purchase ships that transported slaves.
"The whole reason the bank was founded was so that the merchants could have a bank for their money to go through. Their whole existence was slavery. They had no other existence," she said.
"They thought they could bring this lawyer in and lie and just say, 'Moses Brown [John's brother] was an abolitionist. You see, they were good guys.' The lawyer's job was to protect Bank of America -- not to get to the truth. And we won't stop until we get to the truth."
Finance Committee Chairman Edward M. Burke (14th) cautioned Tillman not to "toss around the words 'fraud' and 'misrepresentation.' "
"It is the opinion of the chair that there has been no fraudulent conduct on the part of these witnesses," he said.
Black, Jewish aldermen clash
Ald. Burton F. Natarus (42nd) also urged Tillman to take a deep breath -- prompting an uncomfortable clash between black and Jewish aldermen.
"Prior to the Civil War, you're going to find almost every one of these corporations were involved with the institution of slavery. You're going to find it, and no matter what you do, you can't hide it. But the problem is, how long are you going to badger them with it?" Natarus said.
That infuriated Tillman, who reminded Natarus that African-American aldermen had supported him in the threat to punish Swiss banks that ultimately resulted in the return to Holocaust victims of hundreds of millions of dollars in gold looted by conquering German armies.
"The Jewish community -- your community -- received reparations. What happened to them was wrong. And you were relentless in making sure that anybody and everybody who had anything to do with the Holocaust would be brought to justice . . . What we're saying is, we have a right to be repaid," Tillman said.
Ald. William Beavers (7th) added, "You want to know how long it's going to go on? It's going to go on as long as the Holocaust. The Holocaust is never going to end, and this is never going to end. So when we support you, you support us."
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The Real Lincoln
Do states have a right of secession? That question was settled through the costly War of 1861. In his recently published book, The Real Lincoln, Professor Thomas DiLorenzo marshals abundant unambiguous evidence that virtually every political leader of the time and earlier believed that states had a right of secession.
Let's look at a few quotations. Thomas Jefferson in his First Inaugural Address said, "If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union, or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left to combat it." Fifteen years later after the New England Federalists attempted to secede, Jefferson said, "If any state in the Union will declare that it prefers separation . . . to a continuance in the union . . . I have no hesitation in saying, 'let us separate'."
At Virginia's ratification convention, the delegates said, "the powers granted under the Constitution being derived from the People of the United States may be resumed by them whensoever the same shall be perverted to their injury or oppression." In Federalist Paper 39 James Madison, the father of the Constitution, cleared up what "the people" meant saying, the proposed Constitution would be subject to ratification by the people, "not as individuals composing one entire nation, but as composing the distinct and independent States to which they respectively belong." In a word, states were sovereign; the federal government was a creation, an agent, a servant of the states.
On the eve of the War of 1861, even unionist politicians saw secession as a right of states. Maryland Congressman Jacob M. Kunkel said, "Any attempt to preserve the Union between the States of this Confederacy by force would be impractical, and destructive of republican liberty." The northern Democratic and Republican parties favored allowing the South to secede in peace.
Just about every major northern newspaper editorialized in favor of the South's right to secede. New York Tribune (2/5/60): "If tyranny and despotism justified the Revolution of 1776, then we do not see why it would not justify the secession of Five Millions of Southrons from the Federal Union in 1861." Detroit Free Press (2/19/61): "An attempt to subjugate the seceded States, even if successful could produce nothing but evil - evil unmitigated in character and appalling in content." New York Times (3/21/61): "There is growing sentiment throughout the North in favor of letting the Gulf States go." Professor DiLorenzo cites other editorials expressing identical sentiments.
Americans celebrate Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, but H.L. Mencken correctly evaluated the speech, "It is poetry not logic; beauty, not sense." Lincoln said that the soldiers sacrificed their lives "to the cause of self-determination - government of the people, by the people, for the people should not perish from the earth." Mencken says, "It is difficult to imagine anything more untrue. The Union soldiers in the battle actually fought against self-determination; it was the Confederates who fought for the right of people to govern themselves."
In Federalist Paper 45, James Madison guaranteed, "The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite." The South seceded because of Washington's encroachment on that vision. Today, it's worse. Turn Madison's vision on its head and you have today's America.
Professor DiLorenzo does a yeoman's job in documenting Lincoln's ruthlessness and hypocrisy and how historians have covered it up. The Framers had a deathly fear of federal government abuse. They saw state sovereignty as a protection. That's why they gave us the Ninth and Tenth Amendments. They saw secession as the ultimate protection against Washington tyranny.
Walter E. Williams
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April 1, 2002
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thanks!
Who cares!!!!!!!!!
Besides, slavery still exists, primarily in Africa, all of the complaining places in the world.
Nuremberg was another evolution, not entirely for the better.
If slavery wasn't wrong and now it is, then that's moral relativism. I don't think standards has anything to do with it but you are welcomed to disagree.
It sounds to me as though the State of Illinois needs to tighten up the suffrage requirements. This whole inquiry is looney tunes.
well when you consider purchasing someone, housing, clothing, feeding them maybe there wasn't much profit in the business.
The profit was probably only with the slave traders and traffickers.
It is like expecting to make $$$'s off of adopting a cat or dog. Even though one is an animal and the other obviously is not. You do not make money with them, you usually end up paying for their upkeep.
Then we must be related. US Grant was my Uncle 4 times removed. :)
"Spoons" Butler was a thief, a cheat, an unscrupulous politician, and should have had his fat *ss barbecued and hung.
He had no ability.
Yea....sacking the South, and usurping the Constitution were his motives. What a waste of good southern lead he was!
And after 150 years, just who is supposed to get what money? There are no live owners or slaves. Most well to do slaveholding families lost everything they had, either during the war or 'reconstruction', including whatever they had invested in slaves.
Odds are we are cousins ~ and with George Bush as well.
We should view him more as a victim than an instigator.
The South preferred to start a war. Everything else flows from that decision.
I'd like to note here that the South overplayed its hand earlier when it demanded, and got, the Runaway Slave Act, etc. that, as a practical matter, forced the Northern States into enforcing slavery on behalf of Southern slave owners, through the use of federal laws.
Once such legislation had been pushed through Congress the South lost every claim it had to States Rights!
You guys keep forgetting that part.
Whatever you do, in Germany it is advisable to never rundown a chicken.
Nevertheless, Lincoln could have defused the situation. He could have removed the troops from Ft. Sumter. He knew full well what the South would do. The South may have fired first, but Lincoln pushed the button to start the whole thing. The North had no moral high ground, and neither did Lincoln.
The press didn't make up most of what was written about "Spoons". He meant to intimidate and harass the people of New Orleans, and that is what he did.
http://www.civilwarhome.com/butlerwomanorder.htm pretty well covers the truth of the matter and reveals the whole issue to have been a creation of the Confederate propaganda mill.
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