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Ivory-Billed Woodpecker Rediscovered in Arkansas
NPR ^ | 5/28/05 | NPR

Posted on 04/28/2005 7:15:51 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor

Morning Edition, April 28, 2005 · A group of wildlife scientists believe the ivory-billed woodpecker is not extinct. They say they have made seven firm sightings of the bird in central Arkansas. The landmark find caps a search that began more than 60 years ago, after biologists said North America’s largest woodpecker had become extinct in the United States.

The large, showy bird is an American legend -- it disappeared when the big bottomland forests of North America were logged, and relentless searches have produced only false alarms. Now, in an intensive year-long search in the Cache River and White River national wildlife refuges involving more than 50 experts and field biologists working together as part of the Big Woods Partnership, an ivory-billed male has been captured on video.

"We have solid evidence, there are solid sightings, this bird is here," says Tim Barksdale, a wildlife photographer and biologist.

For an NPR/National Geographic Radio Expeditions story, NPR science correspondent Christopher Joyce joined the search last January along Arkansas’ White River, where a kayaker spotted what he believed to be an ivory-billed woodpecker more than a year ago. Many other similar sightings over the last 60 years have raised false hopes.

But this time, Joyce reports that experts associated with the Cornell Laboratory of Ornithology in New York and The Nature Conservancy were able to confirm the sighting. They kept the find a secret for more than a year, partly to give conservation groups and government agencies time to protect the bird’s habitat.

The Nature Conservancy has been buying and protecting land along the White and Cache Rivers for years, along with the state and the federal Fish and Wildlife Service. Since the discovery, they've bought more land to protect the bird.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Arkansas
KEYWORDS: 1howmuchwood; 2wouldawoodpeckpeck; 3ifawoodpeck; 4couldpeckwood; ornithology; tasteslikechicken
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To: rface
word is the Cuba also holds a population of Ivory-Billed

There is a known sub-species of the Ivory-Billed there in Cuba. Finding a real Ivory-Billed in Cuba would be as astounding as the find here in America. Note--Cuba was a former range of the Ivory-Billed.

101 posted on 04/28/2005 8:03:18 PM PDT by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (John Kerry--three fake Purple Hearts. George Bush--one real heart of gold.)
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To: js1138
Why is this bird so fragile. We live in a developed area and have piliateds out the wazoo. What's the diff?

Good question.

I know the Ivory-Billed needs a 3 sq mile minimum of near perfect habitat. I believe you will find that the pilleated woodpecker needs a much smaller habitat and can adapt more easily.

102 posted on 04/28/2005 8:06:08 PM PDT by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (John Kerry--three fake Purple Hearts. George Bush--one real heart of gold.)
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To: Piquaboy

You have the pilleated woodpecker, not the Ivory-Billed.


103 posted on 04/28/2005 8:07:50 PM PDT by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (John Kerry--three fake Purple Hearts. George Bush--one real heart of gold.)
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands; Zionist Conspirator; saquin
Well, that wasn't the welcome I expected here. I have shied away from forums since I was never well received at a certain L forum. I haven't posted anywhere for over a year, but I do occasionally check Freep to get a feel for how conservatives think at the moment.

Thank goodness for people like you. I have really felt lonely in this world since I became more attuned with my fascination and love of nature. I am actually a believer turned agnostic, hurtling in the direction of belief again. It both flabbergasts and disturbs me to see people (to me it seems the vast majority) who claim belief in all that is good and in the Creator, yet who have no regard for life beyond the human. Baffling!

The thing that is leading me back in the direction of belief is I just cannot comprehend how all these intriguing, beautiful, complicated things came to be without God. I really can't. I am enthralled by the song of the whip-poor-will. I would freeze in disbelief if I ever happened upon a bobcat. The sight of an eagle bathing out in front of my house will always be in my mind. The breathtaking clouds that blow through on a deep blue sky day are profoundly artistic. One of the most haunting and gorgeous images in my memory is that of a wild horse in the high desert of Colorado-its face alight with curiosity and intelligence. My funniest memory may be that of the moose I watched from across a small lake near Banff. And there are those every day "common" things that make life interesting like the crows or squirrels.

Yes, Rush may have done more harm than good for this country. I wonder if he'll be chattering that mindless clap if the honeybee becomes extinct. Almond farmers are already suffering because of the parasite plaguing the honeybees. It could be a monumental disaster if one of nature's major pollinators is no more.

When I drive along a scenic country road here in the South where I live, I can be elated and depressed at the same time. Elated by the amazing scenery and terribly saddened that so many use our beautiful habitat as their own junkyard.

Republicans like Rush have alienated me, and apparently will continue to do so. These are the people who don't see the wreckage left by strip mining, or blowing the tops off mountains in the name of progress. They don't get that they are denying others the right to be awed by our natural surroundings. What's the difference if we lose some owls, wolves or woodpeckers? I say these people need to get some awe in their lives. How sad.

I think that if there is a God (as in the Christian God) that His truth would be something that anyone throughout history could find. I think it would be something that anyone conscious could sense or see. Illiterate or not. Hebrew and Greek literate or not. And I think that the only universal path to that truth would be through the awe inspiring nature that we are so fortunate to have. How else could it be? Not worshiping the nature, but respecting it and knowing that it is just too remarkable to just be.
104 posted on 04/28/2005 8:17:13 PM PDT by conservativeconservationist
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel

They all taste a little like chicken.


105 posted on 04/28/2005 8:21:26 PM PDT by Radioactive (I'm on the radio..so I'm radioactive)
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To: conservativeconservationist

Pardon me if I have offended anyone with my typing the "O" in g-d. I see everyone uses the abbreviated form. You can see I don't often post because I am not sure why it's done that way.


106 posted on 04/28/2005 9:00:02 PM PDT by conservativeconservationist
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To: Right Wing Professor

My first reaction to this story was to squeal and jump up and down... I've been a birder since I was just a little girl, and this is huge, huge news!!

I pray that someday I will be able to see one - they are truly a magnificent example of God's handiwork.


107 posted on 04/28/2005 11:34:41 PM PDT by dandelion
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To: conservativeconservationist

I hope there is more than just this lone male. This is really exciting news.


108 posted on 04/29/2005 6:15:44 AM PDT by mel
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To: conservativeconservationist
First of all, I assure you that you are far from the only person alienated by the public face of conservatism. I'm a Southern Bible-thumper myself, and conservatism is amazingly at odds with much that I believe (since it loudly insists on the "right" to smoke, exalts subjective national heritage above objective religious truth, and seems to consider religion the product of "Western civilization" rather than vice versa). And the Randian social Darwinism that permeates so much of American conservatism literally turns my stomach. How in the sam hill is that harmonized with Biblial religion? And don't even get me started on the eugenicist "Bell Curve" people!

At one point I felt totally alienated from conservtism (which I'd always identified with) because my Biblical beliefs made me pro-Israel, and I found much to my shock that most conservatives (at that time) were anti-Israel. I'd been listening to short wave radio and was used to hearing Israel and Zionism blasted by the radio stations of Communist governments, and here was the same stuff being preached by conservatives in the name of anti-Communism! Of course things are a little different today, but believe me, back in the Seventies and early Eighties the situation was bleak. Even Jesse Helms was anti-Israel at one point (I even had an argument through the mail with him) before finally seeing the light.

As for conservatism and nature, the ironic thing is that conservatism contains decidedly agrarian and anti-industrial strains (such as the Southern agrarians), yet I notice that these loud critics of "yankee industrialism" never seem to say much about the attacks on G-d's creatures made in the name of conservatism, being too busy defending the Confederacy. Unfortunately, there is in fact a connection between the extreme "green" and "animal rights" positions and the (European-style) Far Right. "Aryan nationalists" have always insisted that the Jews are "alienated from nature" and "alienated from the soil" (and there are some idiots who actually believe that the Jews have never practiced agriculture), and these sinister movements have boasted that they have penetrated the green and animal rights movements (Hitler, mach shemo, was a vegetarian). I consider the attacks on people like me by nature-worshipping pagans and atheist scientists to be in the same tradition as the anti-Semitic movement.

Anyway, don't get the wrong idea about me. I'm an extreme, ultra-Biblical Fundamentalist. In fact, I'm so fundamental that I'm not even a chr*stian (I'm a Noachide), which means that I accept the Biblical G-d and no other and believe that the Holy Torah is the blueprint of Creation and was dictated to Moses letter for letter. The "wise men" of our generation may think such a position irreconcilable with a love of G-d's creatures, but I don't see the logic of that claim.

109 posted on 04/29/2005 6:41:43 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Build the Temple! Make Bobby Fischer watch!!!)
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To: heartwood

I just hope it isn't this lone male woodpecker.


110 posted on 04/29/2005 6:42:46 AM PDT by mel
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To: conservativeconservationist
It both flabbergasts and disturbs me to see people (to me it seems the vast majority) who claim belief in all that is good and in the Creator, yet who have no regard for life beyond the human. Baffling!

I forgot to comment on this in my last post.

Once upon a time the "secular humanists" of the Left loudly insisted that "man is the measure of all things" while Theists equally loudly insisted that man was a "worm." How things have changed. Now the Left advocates voluntary human extinction and religious people have adopted the old secular humanist battle cry.

Such illogic makes me ill.

111 posted on 04/29/2005 6:45:49 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Build the Temple! Make Bobby Fischer watch!!!)
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To: Right Wing Professor

That's some big pecker.


112 posted on 04/29/2005 6:46:37 AM PDT by Safetgiver (Only two requisites to be a judge. Gray hair to look wise and hemmorhoids to look concerned.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Why, thank you for making a thread about a wonderful discovery into a tirade for your personal religious beliefs.


113 posted on 04/29/2005 6:47:10 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor
Is this bird bigger than the Pileated Woodpecker? I see a Pileated in my yard just about every week. I wonder why they are not extinct?
114 posted on 04/29/2005 6:48:40 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Right Wing Professor
Why, thank you for making a thread about a wonderful discovery into a tirade for your personal religious beliefs.

You're welcome. Now why don't you tell me that I'm "alienated from nature" because I worship the "Jew G-d" and that only atheist materialists like you believe in the utter meaninglessness of everything have the right to feel awe of nature. I didn't know Ayn Rand was a bird watcher.

Kindly make a personal contribution to the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement. Either that or go stick your head in some man-made concrete building and leave the contemplation of Nature to those of us who know it's all in the Torah.

115 posted on 04/29/2005 6:51:08 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Build the Temple! Make Bobby Fischer watch!!!)
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To: conservativeconservationist; Zionist Conspirator; saquin

Great posts all. I have been trying to dispell the environmentalist wacko label for some time here. It's seems the majority of conservatives have taken a reactionary position that I would expect from liberals on environmental issues. Its not enough to just say that bigger government, more rules, and more regulations aren't the answer to our environmental problems, conservatives have to go out and try to say there are no environmental problems.

Let me know if you want on my Enviro-Con ping list!


116 posted on 04/29/2005 6:53:54 AM PDT by GreenFreeper
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To: Ditter
I see a Pileated in my yard just about every week. I wonder why they are not extinct?

I don't see them often, but I hear them. Once you hear them you don't forget.

They're common in North florida because it only takes a couple of decades to get "old growth". What that means to a woodpecker seems to be trees with diseased limbs. You get that here because lightening strips away a lot of tree bark, leaving openings for bugs and such.

117 posted on 04/29/2005 7:00:38 AM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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To: js1138
I see a Pileated in my yard just about every week. I wonder why they are not extinct?

I don't see them often, but I hear them. Once you hear them you don't forget.

We have pileateds here too. I love to hear them. They sound like a Tarzan movie.

Ironically, the call of the ivory billed (an old recording of which can be found online) doesn't sound nearly as exotic.

118 posted on 04/29/2005 7:06:54 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Build the Temple! Make Bobby Fischer watch!!!)
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To: lafroste

Doubtful the bird was one of these. We call them "cock-of-the-woods" here.


119 posted on 04/29/2005 7:12:36 AM PDT by Safetgiver (Only two requisites to be a judge. Gray hair to look wise and hemmorhoids to look concerned.)
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To: conservativeconservationist

I wonder if he'll be chattering that mindless clap if the honeybee becomes extinct..... Honey bees are lucky to have lived this long. They are not a native species, anyways.


120 posted on 04/29/2005 7:22:13 AM PDT by Safetgiver (Only two requisites to be a judge. Gray hair to look wise and hemmorhoids to look concerned.)
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