Posted on 04/28/2005 6:54:05 AM PDT by pissant
"There is a doctrine of papal infallibility which states that the Pope is infallible when he claims to be and is peaking on matters of faith and morals. It is a very recent claim that a pope made when he was besieged by French and Italian armies which took away papal lands in the late 19th century. It is not a prerogative that other popes have claimed."
Papal infallibility is not a "claim" it is a doctrine of the Faith. It must be believed to be Catholic. It is a basis upon which the teachings of the Church are founded. If there were no guarantee of infallibility then there would be no use to follow any teaching of the Church - just make up your Faith as you go along. And---the result is Protestantism.
But, guys like Cuomo and the other Liberal US Catholic wanna-bees hate the idea of Papal Infallibility for just these reasons. They want to be able to make the Catholic Faith whatever they want it to be. This would allow them to remove all guilt and moral opposition - hence this attack in print.
I'm not so sure that his snide remarks about slavery and usury are correct, either.
But imprecise allusions are the hallmark of the Father of Lies and his mortal allies.
Jim Doyle, Governor of Wisconsin. Not only a CINO, but as corrupt as any Chicago or Brooklyn pol could dream of.
David Obey, MC, (D) WI--told Bp Burke to shove it where the sun doesn't shine re excommunication of pro-abort CINO's (of which club he is a very proud member.)
Your take is mis-informed and includes gratuitous and incorrect calumnies (I'm sure they were unintentional, right?)
I agree with him that priestly celibacy is alterable, though. That is a Church tradition and is not Scriptural.
Cuomo is the Ex-Governor of NYS. I lived there when he was elected (in 84 I think). He ran it as a model of liberalism driving most jobs out of state, except government jobs. He vetoed the death penalty bills a number of time because he said he had to because it was against his moral beliefs. But then he said Abortion was against his moral beliefs, but he had no business applying those beliefs to his job as governor (not kidding!!) How did he defend this major contradiction? By accusing the Republicans of being hypocrites ,of course. By the mid 90s NYS was a huge mess, so he was booted. To this day he blames hatred of the poor on his rejection, and like Air America he has to be seen, to be believed.
Guess I should have put a smiley face on my post. I know who Cuomo is - only too well - but since he's such a has-been, I was just using the classic FR "who is he?" to illustrate his irrelevance.
Tom vilsack (D) IA
Since when has John XXIII become the new poster boy for progressives and the Lavender Mafia? This FICTION that "once the church was on the cusp of sanctifying abortion and birth control, gay unions, euthanesia in the 1960s, then the bad heterosexual white men came along and spoiled the party..."
They've created an entirely imaginary advocate... check out the John XXIII AIDS Ministry http://www.johnxxiii.org
"...John XXIII recognizes that an HIV diagnosis often means a reassessment of spiritual values. Do I feel supported in this life transition by my spirtual values? Our Emotional Support Department is committed to hearing the questions and helping people put a voice to their own beliefs..."
A blowhard, forcibly retired politician who bloviates on any and every subject to make himself feel important and to hear himself talk.
They're closing parish churches in St. Louis, but I'm sure you are right that there are places where it is healthier. But you bypass the point about the couple hundred mill in settlements.
But I wish we wouldn't argue. Seriously. I only want the best for the Mother Church and I want the freaks, weirdo's and deviants excommunicated and gone, just like I want the Episcopal church to be cleansed.
Unfortunately, I'm not so sure there is a mechanism to cleanse the Episcopal church so I may ride the schism wave back to Rome in the end, or hop over to a Roman parish and take Catechism class and be Received. Maybe I'd better not wait too long. Hmmmm.
Mario is in the long tradition of the gnostic heretics.
I wasn't trying to argue with you per se. It was that from my vantage point, I've seen great improvements in the Catholic Church over the last couple of decades. I think JPII stopped the bleeding.
But you are absolutely correct about the whole "priests gone wild" crap and its aftermath. Hopefully Benedict will continue to clean house!
The Episcopal Church cannot be cleansed. Why? It is argumentative whether Darwin or the German royals (including those of the present generation) were more damaging to the Church of England (and thus to Episcopalians). Darwin assured the elitists, albeit obliquely, that rampant promiscuity was OK; the final nail in the coffin was when the German royals, through their own actions and neglect of the Church, instructed the flock that it was OK not to believe.
It can be noted that, except for Catholics, all those bodies gaining members between 1990 and 2000 generally are considered “Conservative Protestants,” while most of those showing a decrease in number of adherents generally are considered “Moderate” or “Liberal” Protestants.
Dear Pope Benedict XVI, Your Holiness:
We have a failure to excommunicate here. Please do your papal best and bap this bozo.
Yours faithfully in the temper of St. Columba,
Siobhan
I had the same reaction to Mario's comment on God not completing His creation. What???
"the Second Vatican Council that brought Catholicism a bright new enlightenment in the 1960s." The intention was to remove mandatory Catholic practices which were considered to be more valid as optional, pious practices, such as meatless Fridays (I still go meatless on most Fridays). Upgrading the language of the mass to the vernacular was a help for understanding. Mario gets it wrong however, since the so-called "spirit of Vatican II" was not meant to throw out the entire culture and popular piety to the point that long-held Catholic practices became nearly extinct over the last 35 years. This is the precise situation we are in now, and the exact reason that Pope Benedict will very likely encourage a return to some of the more beautiful aspects of liturgy which were too hastily discarded. He believes many of the problems in the church is due to a lack of faith; trust in the Lord with all your heart, and great things can and will happen!
I will buy what you say about the coffin nails in the CofE, though I don't really know. I'm just saying it may not be possible to cleanse it because the enforcement mechanisms do not exist. It really is NOT one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church (or part thereof) it is a system in which each diocese is largely a power unto itself. Griswold and the communist/secularists at the top have no power over us but we have no power to shut them up except to withold donations, which I am doing.
I hope Benedict does. I was saying to the other poster that I don't think the Episcopal church can be cleansed because there is no mechanism with which to do it. With the RC there is Excommunication, which seems to have fallen largely out of favor. Let us hope that Benedict revives it.
I will probably join you soon. The Holy Spirit will show me the way.
(You can order one from Our Lady of Walsingham (office@walsingham-church.org) in Houston or the GIFT NOOK at Our Lady of the Atonement in San Antonio.)
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