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Harper vows to take down Liberals
National Post ^ | Wednesday, April 27, 2005 | Colin Perkel

Posted on 04/27/2005 2:40:11 PM PDT by fanfan

Harper vows to take down Liberals

AMHERSTBURG, Ont. -- Conservative Party Leader Stephen Harper vowed Wednesday to topple the fragile Liberal government "at the earliest opportunity" as he fumed about Paul Martin's "deal with the devil" -- a $4.6-billion budget agreement with the New Democrats.

Harper called Martin's willingness to accede to the NDP's demand to remove billions of dollars in corporate tax cuts from the federal budget the "most disgraceful thing" he'd ever seen as he tried to pin the blame for a snap election on the Liberal-NDP alliance.

"The prime minister went so far as to say that this arrangement in this particular episode shows that this Parliament works," Harper said during a luncheon speech in Amherstburg, a short drive south of Windsor, Ont.

"This is not how Parliament should work. As soon as we get back, I will be asking our caucus to put this government out of its misery at the earliest possible opportunity."

That could be as early as May 4, according to Conservative insiders who say that's the earliest date that a no-confidence motion that's currently before the public works committee could be brought before the House of Commons for a vote.

At an earlier stop in Ridgetown, Ont., Harper said the "fiscally irresponsible" deal to delay corporate tax cuts and siphon the $4.6-billion proceeds into social programs over the next two years was a sign the government is "seriously off the rails."

Harper said it would be impossible for Conservatives to support the budget, which favours NDP priorities and props up a government teetering on the brink of collapse from explosive allegations emerging daily from the Gomery inquiry into the federal sponsorship scandal.

In exchange for the changes to the budget, Layton has agreed to support the government in its effort to get the budget passed and in any no-confidence motions the Liberals face before the budget bill receives royal assent.

"We already have enough problems with Liberal corruption," Harper said. "Having an NDP budget is not going to make us support Liberal corruption."

But in an interview Wednesday with The Canadian Press, Martin said he intends to use a separate piece of legislation to push ahead with the tax cuts that were excised from the budget, provided the Conservatives are willing to support the move.

Planned cuts for small- and medium-sized businesses remain intact under the agreement, which calls for $4.6 billion in new investment over two years for the environment, affordable housing, foreign aid, and post-secondary education and training.

Speaking in Montreal, Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe also slammed the proposed budget changes and said he doesn't intend to support them.

"What's good for Quebec, we'll support," Duceppe said. "What's bad for Quebec, we'll oppose. The Layton-Martin agreement is not good for Quebec. It's not a good budget for Quebec."

During his own election-style tour of southwestern Ontario, Layton said seeking the deal was an act of conscience and that voters will cast judgment on his actions when they go to the polls.

"I understand the criticism, and not everybody's going to like what we're doing; that's life, that's why we have a democracy. People will execute their judgment on voting day," Layton told students during a question-and-answer session.

"I couldn't sleep at night if I knew that I had the chance to help some people get off the street and I didn't take it because I wanted the political advantage. I couldn't sleep at night."

Recent polls suggest Canadians do not want an election so soon after last spring's campaign, which has the leaders frantically passing the political hot potato of who will be to blame for touching off a spring campaign.

The Tories and Bloc are widely expected to try to bring down the government next month by voting against the budget or provoking another kind of non-confidence vote.

Even with NDP support, the Liberal government's survival is uncertain.

The Liberals would need all their 131 votes, the NDP's 19, and possibly those of all three independents, allowing the Liberal Speaker to cast the deciding ballot to bring the tally to 154.


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To: Lord Nelson
Oh yes, I know. I have the BC Liberal election sign on my front lawn!

Aaaaaahhhhhhhhh! What? Huh?!?

Tell me I'm reading that post wrong.

41 posted on 04/27/2005 8:49:59 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: fanfan
The provincial parties in Canada set their own policies and are not state organizations of the national party like in the States. The Liberals in B.C and Quebec are conservatives. The Dalton Guinty Liberals in Ontario are to the right of the NDP and lately they've differed with the federal Liberals by complaining how Ontario sends more money to Ottawa than it is getting back in federal funds.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
42 posted on 04/27/2005 8:54:17 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: fanfan

Why? Who should I vote for in the BC election?


43 posted on 04/27/2005 9:00:50 PM PDT by Lord Nelson
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To: adam_az

"I don't think there is ANY credible political party in Canada right now!"

Just because they don't hold hands with every two bit Arab doesn't mean they are not credible.

Conservatives will win, and they will win big!


44 posted on 04/27/2005 9:03:56 PM PDT by RedwineisJesus
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To: RedwineisJesus

I hope you're right.


45 posted on 04/28/2005 3:46:16 AM PDT by youngtory (Liberals in Conservative clothing are bigger liars than the liberals themselves.)
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To: RedwineisJesus
Conservatives will win, and they will win big!

I have my doubts. I have not heard any positive programme from Mr. Harper. Just getting rid of the Liberals who do not deserve staying in power blah blah blah. OK. What is there to come? Same-sex marriage fight? Exactly what the country needs right now.

I think the Liberal wasting our money and preparing to waste even more our money together with NDP is a shame. But I do not want to burn my house to punish them.
46 posted on 04/28/2005 11:23:26 AM PDT by RussianBoor
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To: RussianBoor

"""I have not heard any positive programme from Mr. Harper. OK. What is there to come?"""

Monsieur Harper's programme & ideas are very similar to those of George Bush. But he had to clam up and has to wait until the "hate anything American" fad dies down up here before he can return from the closet and be himself again.

Now that it's becoming clear that even Benedict XVI is an avid George Bush fan, I think it's just a matter of time before Canadians see the light.

I'm betting heavily that Mr. Harper will win a majority government.


47 posted on 04/28/2005 2:47:45 PM PDT by RedwineisJesus
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To: fanfan

Maybe this summer, fanfan.

I've never been to Ottawa! I almost made it up for President Bush a little while back.

I'll let you know!


48 posted on 04/28/2005 5:51:52 PM PDT by JudyinCanada (I can't wait, the dream is coming true and I will stand in front of the box to put my heart into it.)
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To: RedwineisJesus

What a breath of fresh air that will be - it seems Liberals just can't help themselves but bash Americans. The NDP are far worse - Layton references George Bush in just about every point he brings up in Parliament - he must be pissed about the cold shoulder George gave him.

I prefer the Conservatives to wait and build their popular support, but then again I want National Daycare to crash and burn. A minority CP won't last long. The Bloc are communists as fanatical as the NDP.

What's up with Atlantic Canada. Their Liberals support hasn't changed - at 44%! And Alberta shows a 4 point rise from 22 to 26% to the Liberals - the party that insulted them to win the election.


49 posted on 04/28/2005 7:10:39 PM PDT by Lord Nelson
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To: RedwineisJesus
Monsieur Harper's programme & ideas are very similar to those of George Bush

That's exactly what I fear. President Bush is good for a different country in a different situation. He leads a superpower. Canada is not a superpower. For Canada, different ideas must be in order. The topmost priority should not be the same sex marriages but economy. And handling the economy is not President Bush's strong point. He runs an enormous budget deficit after years of budget surpluses. His country being a superpower, he can afford it. Canada cannot. Liberals have been a shame recently but Paul Martin did balance the books splendidly and kept it this way. In Ontario, the Tories had ruined a lot of things when they were in power and still left us with enormous deficit. I have not heard anything from Mr. Harper about fiscal responsibility being his top priority. Unfortunately.
50 posted on 04/29/2005 12:34:38 PM PDT by RussianBoor
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To: RussianBoor

I see the NDP support has risen - even after their deal with the devil. What the hell is wrong with people? CP support just collapsed in Ontario. I knew it was to good to be true. Gomery is not enough to stop the Liberal machine.


51 posted on 04/29/2005 4:28:09 PM PDT by Lord Nelson
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To: RussianBoor

"""And handling the economy is not President Bush's strong point. He runs an enormous budget deficit after years of budget surpluses. I have not heard anything from Mr. Harper about fiscal responsibility being his top priority. Unfortunately."""

Well I happen to think that Mr. Harper is just as on the ball as is Mr.Bush and Mr.Ratzinger(Benedict XVI), and knows that in wartime it is not the time to hold 'em but the time to spend 'em. Fortunately.






52 posted on 04/29/2005 8:31:10 PM PDT by RedwineisJesus
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To: RedwineisJesus

I have not heard that Canada is at war.


53 posted on 04/30/2005 9:18:06 AM PDT by RussianBoor
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To: Lord Nelson
Well, you see, I happen to live in Ontario. In our town the local newspaper is very conservative and reports all it can about conservative agenda, candidates, etc. Maybe, in other places local CP candidates are OK. Here... mildly put, they are completely out of touch with reality or unscrupulous opportunists. As for NDP...well, all their stuff sounds great, if you do not know that it never works and all their limitless spending is footed by all of us. There are lots of people that do not want to think beyond the propaganda.
54 posted on 04/30/2005 9:30:40 AM PDT by RussianBoor
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To: RussianBoor

"""I have not heard that Canada is at war."""

And neither did Mr Dithers', Showercaphead's or Bobblehead's parties.

You win!


55 posted on 04/30/2005 11:20:12 AM PDT by RedwineisJesus
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To: RussianBoor
I have to ask you, what is wrong with you people in Ontario. You have the most corrupt government leading Canada in all its history and 40% of you want to put them back in power. What, are you so easily bribed? What is it? It doesn't matter if Martin was involved or not - Canadians vote for parties and the entire party is tainted. Or do Canadians just have a love affair with socialists? If Harper's party members had as many scandals they would get 10% of the popular vote - but the Liberals just shake it off.
56 posted on 04/30/2005 11:22:39 AM PDT by Lord Nelson
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To: Lord Nelson
I think I have tried to answer this question in a previous post. There is no credible alternative. Liberals have become corrupt because they have been in power for too long. Their defeat would be a good thing to the country but...only if the power is to be taken by responsible people. I am not convinced that CP are responsible people. They started to bash immigrants that Liberals are buying immigrant votes. Again they started some silly name-calling. Last time, provincial Liberals won largely because Conservatives called the Liberals something like "evil kitten-eaters from outer space". Would you give power to people who call their opponents kitten-eaters from outer space???

Then I am concerned about economy. Now our economy is not too bad, really. What will be if Harper comes to power? I would actually prefer Belinda Stronach as a prime minister. She would not hurt the economy because she knows business, she is (or used to be) a single mother and she knows very well that life can be a bit more complicated than to be married once and live happily thereafter. I respect her position on the same-sex and pro-life issues, for instance, which is different from that of Harper. A pity that she was not elected the Conservative leader.
57 posted on 05/02/2005 8:19:23 AM PDT by RussianBoor
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To: RussianBoor; fanfan; Lord Nelson

"They started to bash immigrants that Liberals are buying immigrant votes"


This is not true?


"Last time, provincial Liberals won largely because Conservatives called the Liberals something like "evil kitten-eaters from outer space""


No they won because of the "Choose Change". They were sucessfull in spreading lies about the "bad" economy and the large debt/deficit. And Erny didn't believ in the "Common Sense Revolution"


"Now our economy is not too bad, really. What will be if Harper comes to power? I would actually prefer Belinda Stronach as a prime minister. She would not hurt the economy because she knows business.."

Harper is an econmist. Magma was doing fine when she took over and all she need to do was to walk around and look pretty.

"she is (or used to be) a single mother and she knows very well that life can be a bit more complicated than to be married once and live happily thereafter."

She's also a millionaire.


58 posted on 05/02/2005 8:29:26 AM PDT by -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
About immigrant votes. If a party cannot attract immigrant votes this party will not win an election in Ontario. Buying votes is a silly term really. Immigrants are very different and they are less of a special interest group than CAW and other unions that support NDP. The recent deal of NDP and Liberals is a shame but nobody dare say Liberals/NDP are buying votes of CAW. Why can one insult all immigrants then?

The particular issue in question is the decision allowing a reduction in processing times of certain group of applicants. I guess you have never experience the immigration process yourself. I did, and I have been frustrated much more than was necessary. I cannot understand, if Canada needs skilled workers why these skilled workers have to wait years until somebody just have a look at their application? So an attempt to reduce the processing times and streamline the immigration procedures (not to automatically grab everybody in droves) is what you call buying votes? If you had to wait a year for your driver's license renewal and the government decided to clean this mess you would call it buying your vote?

About Belinda. She may be a millionaire, so what? It sounds very much NDP-like. About Harper being an economist, Karl Marx also was one. I just do not know what exactly Harper wants to do with economy and he wouldn't tell.
59 posted on 05/02/2005 10:17:54 AM PDT by RussianBoor
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To: RussianBoor
So you would put Martin back in power because the CP did some name calling? The Liberals excel at name calling – calling the CP rednecks, ect… Sorry but if Stronach was the leader I would not vote CP. She is part of what is wrong with Canada – part of the Eastern Establishment us in the West are so sick of. Her father’s company is the largest recipient of corporate welfare.

The economy is not great. I don’t know what people are talking about. The CP wants to end the terrible practice of sending taxpayer dollars to big corporations and about time.

There is no secret agenda. People need to read the &^*^^& party platform. It’s simple. Read the platform. That’s the agenda.

FWIW apparently BC is as stupid as Ontario. Liberal support just surged. Stupid bastards. They fell for Martin’s crocodile tears. As the most right wing conservative you will ever meat – and damn proud of it – I would never vote Liberal anyways – scandal or no.

So it’s OK for the Liberals to use negative campaigning but not the CP? Please.
60 posted on 05/02/2005 10:38:41 AM PDT by Lord Nelson
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