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Harper vows to take down Liberals
National Post ^ | Wednesday, April 27, 2005 | Colin Perkel

Posted on 04/27/2005 2:40:11 PM PDT by fanfan

Harper vows to take down Liberals

AMHERSTBURG, Ont. -- Conservative Party Leader Stephen Harper vowed Wednesday to topple the fragile Liberal government "at the earliest opportunity" as he fumed about Paul Martin's "deal with the devil" -- a $4.6-billion budget agreement with the New Democrats.

Harper called Martin's willingness to accede to the NDP's demand to remove billions of dollars in corporate tax cuts from the federal budget the "most disgraceful thing" he'd ever seen as he tried to pin the blame for a snap election on the Liberal-NDP alliance.

"The prime minister went so far as to say that this arrangement in this particular episode shows that this Parliament works," Harper said during a luncheon speech in Amherstburg, a short drive south of Windsor, Ont.

"This is not how Parliament should work. As soon as we get back, I will be asking our caucus to put this government out of its misery at the earliest possible opportunity."

That could be as early as May 4, according to Conservative insiders who say that's the earliest date that a no-confidence motion that's currently before the public works committee could be brought before the House of Commons for a vote.

At an earlier stop in Ridgetown, Ont., Harper said the "fiscally irresponsible" deal to delay corporate tax cuts and siphon the $4.6-billion proceeds into social programs over the next two years was a sign the government is "seriously off the rails."

Harper said it would be impossible for Conservatives to support the budget, which favours NDP priorities and props up a government teetering on the brink of collapse from explosive allegations emerging daily from the Gomery inquiry into the federal sponsorship scandal.

In exchange for the changes to the budget, Layton has agreed to support the government in its effort to get the budget passed and in any no-confidence motions the Liberals face before the budget bill receives royal assent.

"We already have enough problems with Liberal corruption," Harper said. "Having an NDP budget is not going to make us support Liberal corruption."

But in an interview Wednesday with The Canadian Press, Martin said he intends to use a separate piece of legislation to push ahead with the tax cuts that were excised from the budget, provided the Conservatives are willing to support the move.

Planned cuts for small- and medium-sized businesses remain intact under the agreement, which calls for $4.6 billion in new investment over two years for the environment, affordable housing, foreign aid, and post-secondary education and training.

Speaking in Montreal, Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe also slammed the proposed budget changes and said he doesn't intend to support them.

"What's good for Quebec, we'll support," Duceppe said. "What's bad for Quebec, we'll oppose. The Layton-Martin agreement is not good for Quebec. It's not a good budget for Quebec."

During his own election-style tour of southwestern Ontario, Layton said seeking the deal was an act of conscience and that voters will cast judgment on his actions when they go to the polls.

"I understand the criticism, and not everybody's going to like what we're doing; that's life, that's why we have a democracy. People will execute their judgment on voting day," Layton told students during a question-and-answer session.

"I couldn't sleep at night if I knew that I had the chance to help some people get off the street and I didn't take it because I wanted the political advantage. I couldn't sleep at night."

Recent polls suggest Canadians do not want an election so soon after last spring's campaign, which has the leaders frantically passing the political hot potato of who will be to blame for touching off a spring campaign.

The Tories and Bloc are widely expected to try to bring down the government next month by voting against the budget or provoking another kind of non-confidence vote.

Even with NDP support, the Liberal government's survival is uncertain.

The Liberals would need all their 131 votes, the NDP's 19, and possibly those of all three independents, allowing the Liberal Speaker to cast the deciding ballot to bring the tally to 154.


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To: fanfan
One of the independents is a conservative from British Columbia. The Bloc is enraged and the Conservatives are upset with the NDP's Comrade Layton going behind their backs to craft a deal with the Liberals to take out tax cuts and pour the money into social programs. My guess is if the Bloc votes non and the Conservatives vote "no" and the conservative independent votes with them, the Government will fall and Canada is headed once again to the polls, possibly as soon as June.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
21 posted on 04/27/2005 7:07:53 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Dont Mention the War
You are on the list now, Dont Mention the War.

:-)

22 posted on 04/27/2005 7:30:20 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: DM1
I think it will happen this time.

After all, you good folks got rid of Clinton. There must be hope for us. ;-)

23 posted on 04/27/2005 7:32:36 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: adam_az
For example, the Canuck Conservative party platform explicitly supports socialized medicine!

In this regard, there is presently no other choice for any credible political party in Canada right now.

24 posted on 04/27/2005 7:35:30 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: Lord Nelson
......But who will scrutinize the government? We all know how well they regulate themselves. We will end up with a 100 billion dollar daycare program when its all said and done.

Good list, but you forgot one.....

Those unionized day cares will be staffed by social workers trained by socialist Canadian Universities.

Aaahhhhh! Save the children, now, while we still can!

25 posted on 04/27/2005 7:41:35 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: fanfan

"In this regard, there is presently no other choice for any credible political party in Canada right now."

I'll go one step further. I don't think there is ANY credible political party in Canada right now!

I can't even remember as far back as the last time they had one.


26 posted on 04/27/2005 7:43:25 PM PDT by adam_az (Support the Minute Man Project - http://www.minutemanproject.com/Donations.html)
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To: fanfan

"After all, you good folks got rid of Clinton. There must be hope for us. ;-)"
Clinton was term limited we just had the brains to not elect Gore. I wish you guys luck! Dump the libs!


27 posted on 04/27/2005 7:44:18 PM PDT by DM1
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To: GMMAC

LOL

We need a bigger BBQ!

28 posted on 04/27/2005 7:44:47 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: fanfan

"After all, you good folks got rid of Clinton. There must be hope for us. ;-)"

No - he was president twice, which is the most he could serve.

We didn't "get rid of him" like you can in a parliamentary system.


29 posted on 04/27/2005 7:47:14 PM PDT by adam_az (Support the Minute Man Project - http://www.minutemanproject.com/Donations.html)
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To: JudyinCanada
By the way, where do I send the beer and nachos I will owe you if this actually happens?

To Ottawa, of all places!

Don't send it though, bring it and we will celebrate together!

30 posted on 04/27/2005 7:47:37 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: goldstategop
One of the independents is a conservative from British Columbia.

I think you're talking about Chuck Cadman (sp), former conservative party member? He hasn't said how he'll vote, but some say he is principled.

The other two are David Kilgour (quit the libs last week to sit as an independent), and Carolyn ("stomp on the Bush doll") Parrish.

Kilgour won't say what he'll do, and the Parrish will support the Gov. that threw her out.

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While reviewing this post, (spell check, etc.), it occurred to me that the future of my country depends on the judgment of these three people.

OMG! Sob.

31 posted on 04/27/2005 8:01:25 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: DM1
Clinton was term limited we just had the brains to not elect Gore.

You had the passion and organization to elect George W. Bush twice!

I wish you guys luck! Dump the libs!

Thanks for the good wishes DM1. We will work our butts off to do just that! :-)

32 posted on 04/27/2005 8:08:02 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: adam_az
We didn't "get rid of him" like you can in a parliamentary system.

Good point.

Pros and cons to everything, eh?

33 posted on 04/27/2005 8:10:44 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: fanfan; JudyinCanada
Speaking of fun times in ...
... "Ottawa, of all places" ...

34 posted on 04/27/2005 8:19:18 PM PDT by GMMAC (paraphrasing Parrish: "damned Liberals, I hate those bastards!")
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To: fanfan
"I think you're talking about Chuck Cadman ... hasn't said how he'll vote ..."

Constituents have convinced him to oppose Liberals, Cadman says

Peter O'Neil
CanWest News Service
Tuesday, April 26, 2005

B.C. Independent MP Chuck Cadman possibly driving the final stake in Paul Martin's government, said yesterday he now plans to help the Conservatives and the Bloc Quebecois defeat the Liberals in a confidence vote expected next month. Mr. Cadman, who last week said he would support the Liberals, said personal conversations and about two dozen calls and e-mails to his office convinced him the public wants the Liberals booted out. "I've been hearing from constituents ... and they prefer I support a non-confidence vote," said the MP for Surrey North. "As I've said to everybody, on an issue like this, I have to go with my constituents rather than my own personal views on these things."

© National Post 2005

Source: http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/search/story.html?id=b1768524-8e54-4234-a834-ade0e82eb840
35 posted on 04/27/2005 8:30:12 PM PDT by GMMAC (paraphrasing Parrish: "damned Liberals, I hate those bastards!")
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To: fanfan
Great. We will have a whole new generation of Post Modern learned children.

It is so clear that the Liberals believe the government can raise our children better than their parents. It is also clear they hold victims rights in high contempt and do not believe in the retribution component of the Justice System.

The Libs are bad but the NDP are just drippingly disgusting. They use the horrid tactic of demonizing George Bush to attack their opponents. I love how Harper called it the "deal with the devil" That's great!
36 posted on 04/27/2005 8:35:26 PM PDT by Lord Nelson
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To: adam_az

A bit unrelated, but what sort of democracy is this set up in Iraq? Parliamentary and Republican democracies are winner take all. The winner forms the cabinet. But it sounds like all parties will participate in forming the cabinet in Iraq?


37 posted on 04/27/2005 8:37:30 PM PDT by Lord Nelson
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To: Lord Nelson

The provincial Liberals in BC are the party of the right. Their website says upfront that they are not affiliated with the federal Liberals.

The NDP are the socialists.

The Liberals will win the BC election.




38 posted on 04/27/2005 8:37:54 PM PDT by captcanada
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To: fanfan

Chuck said his constituents want the Liberals out el pronto, so he is going to support the wishes of those who voted for him.


39 posted on 04/27/2005 8:40:19 PM PDT by Lord Nelson
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To: captcanada
Oh yes, I know. I have the BC Liberal election sign on my front lawn! God knows BC voters cannot be stupid enough to put the NDP back into power. At any rate the Greens will split the leftist vote. Finally. The right has had its vote split for so long (Reform party killed George Bush Senior's re-election / Liberals were kept in power by a right party split)
40 posted on 04/27/2005 8:43:24 PM PDT by Lord Nelson
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