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Bill advances to put serial number on every bullet (Kal)
sacbee ^ | 4-26-05

Posted on 04/26/2005 8:27:23 PM PDT by LouAvul

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To: LouAvul

And if you were to "lose" your bullets or ammo and someone else were to "find" or buy some ammo from a "friendly stranger that you never saw again that had "your" numbers on them?

Carnac see a great big market in lost and found and unregistered ammo and bullets.


41 posted on 04/26/2005 9:37:51 PM PDT by garyhope
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To: LouAvul

That's the ticket. Don't serial number the ammo which means it can't be sold in California. Print on each box:

Manufacturer's warning: This ammunition is not to sold or used in California. Purchaser assumes all responsibility for complying with all applicable state and federal laws.

What are they going to do when the police can't buy ammo?


42 posted on 04/26/2005 9:44:35 PM PDT by meatloaf
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To: Billthedrill

This idea goes back to at least 1996 in California, and maybe earlier. I don't know which anti-gun group first thought this up (my bet would be either Garen Wintemute or the VPC, but that's pure speculation).

Even then, the idea was advanced with only the thinnest veneer of "crime tracing" as a justification. That's there for the gullible and half-awake. The purpose is exactly the same as the thrice-defeated bullet tax idea: to increase the cost, and drastically reduce the availability of ammuntion. You'll note the 1/2 cent "fee"* is tied directly to an information registry -- so it can be passed with a simple-majority vote, rather than the 2/3rds required for a revenue measure.

This could easily get through the legislature. It's up to Arnie to veto it in that case (doesn't that give you a nice warm feeling?)


43 posted on 04/26/2005 9:47:38 PM PDT by absalom01
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To: LouAvul

I pray that Kalefornia votes this into law. They will need a Cray to keep up with the bullet serial numbers, and an additional beaurocracy equivalent to the one they already have. Think of the employment opportunities- they could even use migrants! How glorius! Everybody employed! No more crime on the streets!


44 posted on 04/26/2005 9:48:26 PM PDT by de Buillion (God bless John Moses Browning)
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To: LouAvul
Gosh, more ammo sales in Nevada!

Who'da thunk it?

45 posted on 04/26/2005 9:51:14 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Kalipolidiots need to be sued for wasting ........everything.


46 posted on 04/26/2005 9:54:03 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Squantos
Kalipolidiots need to be sued for wasting ........everything.

That's IT!!! Chronic wasting disease!

Explains everything.

47 posted on 04/26/2005 9:58:24 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
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To: absalom01
The purpose is exactly the same as the thrice-defeated bullet tax idea: to increase the cost, and drastically reduce the availability of ammuntion.

Not to mention produce a state held list of all handgun owners. It's a threefer!

48 posted on 04/26/2005 9:58:41 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: absalom01
"doesn't that give you a nice warm feeling?"

Uh...... no.

49 posted on 04/26/2005 9:58:51 PM PDT by Stormcrow ("It's not that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so much that isn't so.")
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To: Petronski
Is she talking about stamping a number on the bullet? Most bullets deform on impact.

Actually in the base I believe. But laser etched, not stamped. Of course the base will deform as well, but much less than the rest of the bullet.

1/2 cent per round? That's about 25% on the cheapest .22 long rifle ammunition. .22 long rifle represents the vast majority of cartridges sold in the US, and presumably in California as well. It's a revenue measure disguised as gun control. :)

50 posted on 04/26/2005 10:01:30 PM PDT by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
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To: Billthedrill
Well, not unless the distributor is forced to keep records on who he sends the lots to and the retailer is forced to keep a list of who he sells the ammunition to.

How is that different than what is done now with the 4473 forms for purchasing a firearm?

It's also no different, except for the serial number business, than the '68 to '86 requirement to sign for all handgun ammunition, including .22 rimfire that you intended to load into a rifle. That chapped my @$$ every time I bought a few boxes of .22 short to fire through my grandfather-in-laws Browning, while I was carrying a USAF officers id in my billfold, which is what I would use for the ID you had to show the little girl behind the counter.

51 posted on 04/26/2005 10:06:33 PM PDT by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
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To: LouAvul
This bill is ridiculous as a "feel good" measure. When a bullet is fired from a gun, the heat and friction roughen the surface of the bullet. When it enters a body or some inanimate object, its surface properties are modified still further, such as in disintegration or deformation of the bullet on impact. In such a case, a serial number etched onto a bullet would be useless in solving a crime. It further presumes criminals would not take care to tamper with a bullet by erasing or changing the etched on serial number, rendering exact forensic identification impossible. All this would do is increase the costs of ammo purchases by legitimate gun owners. The last thing it would accomplish would be to assist the police in solving a crime.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
52 posted on 04/26/2005 10:13:02 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: nhoward14
Chris Rock,

"I'd put a cap in your a** .... if I could afford it."

Very funny.

Seriously they should laser etch a serial number into every grain of sand in the world in order to find out which beach it came from.

Or, make a law that every criminal must leave their finger prints at the scene of a crime. Failure to do so would be a felony punishable by law.
53 posted on 04/26/2005 10:15:47 PM PDT by beaver fever
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To: Carry_Okie

LOL.........sad ain't it !


54 posted on 04/26/2005 10:18:10 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: goldstategop
The last thing it would accomplish would be to assist the police in solving a crime.

It'll help catch the kind of crook who's stupid enough to go buy ammunition, give the clerk his real ID, then use the ammo to kill someone.

Of course, the stupid crooks are precisely the ones most likely to get caught anyway, so whether there'll be any net effect is iffy.

55 posted on 04/26/2005 10:22:09 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: Cornpone
"just create a market for reloaders like me"

Oh yeah! Can you imagine the market for used brass and fishing weights? Gun powder will be next target of these idiots.

56 posted on 04/26/2005 10:23:44 PM PDT by fuzzthatwuz
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To: LouAvul
"We'll solve a lot of crimes if this becomes law," said Attorney General Bill Lockyer, who supported the bill.

Lets make illegal aliens legal with full rights as citizens, tax the he!! out of the hard working taxpayers of the state, and give individuality to bullets, tax some more to cover the costs, and then we can blame the bullets on all crime.

Makes sense to me.....

57 posted on 04/26/2005 10:24:31 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: LouAvul

Bleeping idiots.


58 posted on 04/26/2005 10:40:07 PM PDT by djreece ("... Until He leads justice to victory." Matt. 12:20c)
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To: LouAvul

"SACRAMENTO (AP) - A proposal to put a serial number on every handgun bullet passed a Senate committee Tuesday and law enforcement officials said they hoped the novel effort would spread to other states. "

And reloading your own is to become a felony with punishment to be imprisonment for life if one should do so.

SARCASM OFF/


59 posted on 04/26/2005 10:46:02 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: LouAvul

What about lead shot? Are they going to try to inscribe numbers on every #9 birdshot pellet as well?


60 posted on 04/26/2005 11:12:14 PM PDT by TFFKAMM
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