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Immigration Effects on California
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Posted on 04/26/2005 6:18:56 PM PDT by Founding Father

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To: NewRomeTacitus
Well, Sabergum's goal was to provide disincentives to migrants, and merely banning welfare doesn't close all the incentives. Hence the UberKonservativs would also have to ban private Christian charity. But it's a small price to pay for the worthy cause of not having to hear Spanish spoken at a drive-through restaurant, eh?
61 posted on 04/26/2005 11:45:15 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
Insult to a person no longer able to denfend himself on this forum followed by insinuations of Nazism and racism. You've got to step it up or you'll cease having any amusement value at all.

Got to go now. May Jesus intercede for your soul. This tagline's for you.

62 posted on 04/27/2005 12:49:06 AM PDT by NewRomeTacitus (Islamists blindly serve Satan and will enjoy extended life with him in the Pit until Judgement.)
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To: junta

you are right. We cannot raise them up, but they can sure pull us down.


63 posted on 04/27/2005 3:42:40 AM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: Founding Father

bump!!!


64 posted on 04/27/2005 3:52:00 AM PDT by lilmsdangrus (hard work musta hurt somebody, somewhere....)
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To: exhaustedmomma
Yep, that billboard is for real. It means,

"VIVA RECONQUISTA! VIVA AZTLAN! VENCEREMOS! WE WILL WIN!"

65 posted on 04/27/2005 6:45:40 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Cultural Jihad
But it's a small price to pay for the worthy cause of not having to hear Spanish spoken at a drive-through restaurant, eh?

It doesn't have anything to do with what language is spoken at a drive-through restaurant. It has to do with whether the employees at a drive-through restaurant are in the United States legally. But then, you already knew that.

66 posted on 04/27/2005 6:53:37 AM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: Cultural Jihad
"Abner! Come quick! Some Mexicans are moving in across the street! Abner! And listen, Abner! They're speaking Spanish! Call the sheriff!"

"Oh, now they've got chickens in the yard, Abner! Oh, and that loud mariachi music all night long! Look at all the shopping carts and junky cars parked on their lawn now, Abner! Traffic blocking the street day and night. They're dealing drugs now, Abner! Ooooh, look at the nice day laborers urinating and defecating on our lawn, Abner! And what's that one-fingered gesture they're giving us? What's that you say, Abner? Our grandchild had the crap beaten out of him at school because he's not Mexican? And what? Our granddaughter was raped by an illegal? My, my. Oh, and our son was hit by an illegal alien driver? And our nephew can't find work because he doesn't speak Spanish. Mercy me, Abner. Maybe we should start ignoring those race-baiting, America-hating traitors who make fun of us for objecting to illegals, and instead, start fighting for our country and our countrymen. What do you think, Abner???"

67 posted on 04/27/2005 7:20:07 AM PDT by Nea Wood (I considered atheism but there weren't enough holidays.)
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To: NewRomeTacitus


Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Be Ever Vigilant!

Minutemen Patriots ~ Bump!


68 posted on 04/27/2005 7:33:20 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: judgeandjury

One thing I'll never be able to figure out is how such a small organization seems to have so much sway and power over issues such as this when literally millions of Americans oppose the SPLC's stance on current immigration policy.


69 posted on 04/27/2005 8:15:22 AM PDT by american spirit
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To: NewRomeTacitus

bump to your post, NRT:

I'm reminded of a line from the baseball movie:
"If you build it they will come."

Well, if you remove it (social security, healthcare, welfare, drivers licenses, etc, etc)...they-
(ILLEGAL immigrants) will leave.


70 posted on 04/27/2005 8:40:56 AM PDT by FBD ( "A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." ~Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: rellimpank

I bet fertilizers, batteries and lead paint comprise a large percentage of this lead in the ground water:

http://pubs.acs.org/subscribe/journals/esthag-w/2004/sep/science/rr_arsenic.html

But when you take into account leaching from cyanide/gold mining tailings of the old mining camps, that number is probably low. But it's all just a wild guess, I don't see how they could do anyhting but grab a number out of thin air.

At any rate, I don't see how lead is a problem caused by illegal aliens.


71 posted on 04/27/2005 8:54:24 AM PDT by FBD ( "A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." ~Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: FBD
gold mining tailings of the old mining camps, that number is probably low.

Since the lead doesn't particularly leach, "But it's all just a wild guess" is probably closest to the truth---

72 posted on 04/27/2005 9:12:58 AM PDT by rellimpank (urbanites don' t understand the cultural deprivation of not being raised on a farm:NRABenefactor)
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To: Founding Father
Illegal aliens SHOULD be a State problem NOT a federal one..
Then the problem can be handeled.. State citizens care about their state the Fed DOES NOT.. IF the State rounded up the illegals and dropped them on the feds doorstep then the feds would have to do something about it..

-OR- BETTER, if the states just made doing business with illegals first a misdomeanor and then a felony then the illegals would move to a state that loved illegals .. solving the problem.. Its a State thing.. The United States HAS NO citizens only States do..

The federal government HAS no citizens and THATS the problem.. cedeing states rights to the feds.. STOP THAT and other problems will vanish too.. If they CAN'T work the illegals will become illegal somewhere ELSE.. Pretty soon the blue states would be inundated with illegals and might NOT be so BLUE anymore when the infrastucture is trashed..

73 posted on 04/27/2005 9:37:38 AM PDT by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: junta

it's beginning to look like that is the objective here.


74 posted on 04/27/2005 9:40:38 AM PDT by uncitizen
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To: Nea Wood

If someone is loud or defecates on your lawn or deals drugs or rapes then prosecute. But to claim that a loud person or a defacator or drug dealer or a rapist belongs to some big group which is all guilty and must all be persecuted is the product of a liberal mindset, not a conservative one.


75 posted on 04/27/2005 10:03:53 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: expatpat
You've forgotten just how liberal CA is -- there's a college place for every one.

makes one wonder who is going to all the community colleges?

76 posted on 04/27/2005 11:28:30 AM PDT by Pa' fuera
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To: Cultural Jihad
"Abner! Come quick! Some Mexicans are moving in across the street! Abner! And listen, Abner! They're speaking Spanish! Call the sheriff!"

I hope she likes banda music blasting until 4 in the morning, because that's what she's in for

77 posted on 04/27/2005 11:54:15 AM PDT by Pa' fuera
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To: Cultural Jihad
If someone is loud or defecates on your lawn or deals drugs or rapes then prosecute.

At that point, it's too late. I don't want to go through the trouble of having to testify against some rabble-rouser who will be out for vengeance once he gets his wrist slapped by the authorities. I'd rather have the government do its job and prevent whatever percentage of Hispanics are disorderly (and, though it might shock you, a certain percentage of them are disorderly) from coming here in the first place. We have plenty of disorderly people in this country without importing millions more

78 posted on 04/27/2005 12:03:26 PM PDT by Pa' fuera
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To: hosepipe
I am a strong believer in states rights and agree with much of what you say. I think we would have an even greater country if states could experiment with different programs. Some states would virtually eliminate welfare, while others would be more generous. Guess where the recipients would go? Same for abortion, taxes, education, etc.

The problem here is that defending the borders is one of the limited rights that the states ceded to the national government. So, what to do?Where would the states drop the illegals? It's easy to say the feds, but what if the feds refuse to take them?

I guess the answer is for either the feds to cede this authority back to the states, or have states pass their own laws about illegal immigration, but that really puts the burden back on the states. I don't see how you fight a war on terrorism if one state lets them in while another doesn't.
79 posted on 04/27/2005 12:12:25 PM PDT by Founding Father (A proud "vigilante." My money goes to support Minutemen, not Republicans.)
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To: NewRomeTacitus
It definitely proves that the MSM is feeling the pressure and is trying it's best to distort public perception.

I now have the transcript but it is so loaded with inflammatory rhetoric and wild allegations -- to make the illegals look like victims of course -- that I can't post it.

80 posted on 04/27/2005 12:46:34 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Extra omnea!)
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