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Nuke the Filibuster (LA Times Editorial Advocates Use of Nuclear Option)
Los Angeles Times ^ | 4/26/05 | Editorial

Posted on 04/26/2005 10:26:04 AM PDT by BlackRazor

Nuke the Filibuster

These are confusing days in Washington. Born-again conservative Christians who strongly want to see President Bush's judicial nominees voted on are leading the charge against the Senate filibuster, and liberal Democrats are born-again believers in that reactionary, obstructionist legislative tactic. Practically every big-name liberal senator you can think of derided the filibuster a decade ago but now sees the error of his or her ways and will go to amusing lengths to try to convince you that the change of heart is explained by something deeper than the mere difference between being in the majority and being in the minority.

At the risk of seeming dull or unfashionable for not getting our own intellectual makeover, we still think judicial candidates nominated by a president deserve an up-or-down vote in the Senate. We hardly see eye to eye with the far right on social issues, and we oppose some of these judicial nominees, but we urge Republican leaders to press ahead with their threat to nuke the filibuster. The so-called nuclear option entails a finding by a straight majority that filibusters are inappropriate in judicial confirmation battles.

But the Senate shouldn't stop with filibusters over judges. It should strive to nuke the filibuster for all legislative purposes.

The filibuster debate is a stark reminder of the unprincipled and results-oriented nature of politics, as senators readily switch sides for tactical advantage. Politicians' lack of consistency on fundamental matters — the debate over the proper balance of power between Washington and the states would be another case in point — is far more corrosive to the health of American democracy and the rule of law than any number of Bush- appointed judges could ever be. For one thing, it validates public wariness about politicians professing deep convictions.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 109th; filibuster; judges; judiciary; nuclearoption; ussenate
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1 posted on 04/26/2005 10:26:09 AM PDT by BlackRazor
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To: BlackRazor

Some things in life are just hard to believe. This editorial from the LAT is one of them.


2 posted on 04/26/2005 10:28:56 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: BlackRazor
we still think judicial candidates nominated by a president deserve an up-or-down vote in the Senate

Well, that's the way it's supposed to work. The Senate will advise & consent on each nominee, then an up or down vote.

What's this super majority crap anyway?

3 posted on 04/26/2005 10:29:44 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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To: Graybeard58

. . . ratcheting jaw up from desk to face.
The LA Times?


4 posted on 04/26/2005 10:32:08 AM PDT by tumblindice
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To: BlackRazor; Ernest_at_the_Beach; tubebender; NormsRevenge; Carry_Okie; Shermy

Did hell freeze over in the bowels of the LA Slimes?


5 posted on 04/26/2005 10:32:20 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 5 decades.)
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To: BlackRazor

The filibuster (I mean real filibuster, with cots and 48 hour speeches and peeing into buckets)can be a useful tool for bringing out public outrage over a certain bill or policy, but when used in the past was only saved for issues of such importance since it required shutting down the Senate for a strech untill the issue was resolved. Currently it allows for a minority to run the Senate with no possibility of retribution.


6 posted on 04/26/2005 10:32:47 AM PDT by sharkhawk (I really have to stop surfing at DU.)
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To: BlackRazor

Another sign that we have the votes?


7 posted on 04/26/2005 10:32:57 AM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: Graybeard58
I am shocked, intellectual honesty in the MSM. On this issue quite a few conservatives aren't his honest. In my opinion as a matter of principle conservatives should be against and liberals should be for the nuclear option.
8 posted on 04/26/2005 10:34:06 AM PDT by don'tbedenied
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9 posted on 04/26/2005 10:35:46 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: BlackRazor
But the Senate shouldn't stop with filibusters over judges. It should strive to nuke the filibuster for all legislative purposes.

It seems that the LA Times has a bigger agenda here!

10 posted on 04/26/2005 10:39:11 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Question Liberalism)
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As with Harry Reid "negotiating" on the issue by agreeing to let certain judges pass and replacing others, this editorial proves that liberals are not afraid of what conservative legislation and a conservative judiciary will net as a result, they are upset over what they won't get. Gay marriage, euthenasia, last minute abortions, every semblance of faith removed from daily life, etc.


11 posted on 04/26/2005 10:40:45 AM PDT by IamConservative (To worry is to misuse your imagination.)
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To: Graybeard58
Some things in life are just hard to believe. This editorial from the LAT is one of them.

The Democrats smell blood. One act of terrorism because of a loose border and the Slave Party will have a majority in the Senate and maybe the Presidency too. Perhaps the LAT is salivating at the possibilities?

12 posted on 04/26/2005 10:41:36 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Bingo. Chip away at the Constitution every way they can...


13 posted on 04/26/2005 10:42:04 AM PDT by eureka! (It will not be safe to vote Democrat for a long, long, time...)
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To: Grampa Dave
See #12.
14 posted on 04/26/2005 10:42:35 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Don't know about you, but I wouldn't mind doing away with the filibuster for legislation. Little known fact - up until the Senate rules changes of 1806 the majority could vote to end debate. Filibusters really are about minority rule anyway.


15 posted on 04/26/2005 10:44:52 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: Grampa Dave
Not sure I believe this editorial, ...anyway:

Clashes Growing Between Bush and GOP Moderates

16 posted on 04/26/2005 10:48:14 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: BlackRazor

The true “nuclear option” is the unprecedented Democrats use of filibusters to stop President Bush’s judicial nominees.

Let’s take the use of filibusters into the future. What will the Senate Republicans do the next time a Democrat sits in the White House? Will they politely pass whatever nominee the Democrat President sends them? No, as long as there is even one Republican in the Senate, they will now also filibuster any Democrat nominee.

Thus we will move from a nominally independent judiciary appointed to life terms to a highly political judiciary appointed only in recess appointments to get around the Senate.

This, because the Democrats would rather destroy the federal judiciary than give the Republicans a power that they rightfully earned at the ballot box.




17 posted on 04/26/2005 10:56:10 AM PDT by RJL
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Don't know about you, but I wouldn't mind doing away with the filibuster for legislation.

I don't have problems with filibusters, provided they're used as originally intended -- to allow additional time for debate. But they shouldn't be abused as tool to indefinitely prevent votes.

18 posted on 04/26/2005 10:57:47 AM PDT by BlackRazor
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To: RKV
Don't know about you, but I wouldn't mind doing away with the filibuster for legislation.

I don't have a problem with a filibuster, provided it's used as originally intended -- to provide additional time for debate before voting. I do have a problem with filibusters being used to indefinitely prevent the holding of a vote (whether it be for legislation or for judges).

19 posted on 04/26/2005 10:59:16 AM PDT by BlackRazor
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To: BlackRazor

About 1000 more editorials like this ad the LA Times might see an improvement in their circulation.


20 posted on 04/26/2005 11:09:23 AM PDT by gleneagle
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