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Big church halts support of ministries
Charlotte Observer ^ | 4/24/05 | Ken Garfield

Posted on 04/25/2005 7:59:46 AM PDT by NotchJohnson

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To: MineralMan
As for me, I just sent a donation to the organization they shunned.

Great! Isn't it amazing how God gets even atheists into the act. A contribution all of the way from Minnesota down to North Carolina.

41 posted on 04/25/2005 8:56:23 AM PDT by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: Iscool

What does "free for the asking" mean? Are you telling me sinners do not have to change their ways? Does Scott Peterson now get to be saved without changing his course?


43 posted on 04/25/2005 8:57:07 AM PDT by clarissaexplainsitall (stewed tomatoes are just plain gross)
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To: MineralMan
"However the New Testament (II Corinthians 6:14) also teaches us that we should not yoke ourselves unevenly (meaning with unbelievers). "

Why do you care what it teaches? You reject the central teaching, so who the heck cares what you think?

44 posted on 04/25/2005 8:58:46 AM PDT by Protagoras (Christ is risen.)
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To: MineralMan; explodingspleen; El Gato; wrathof59; Norman Conquest; jwalburg; NotchJohnson; ...

It seems to me the issue is not about doing something to "get you into heaven". The issue seems to be that as a person who believes you are saved, what do you do with your faith; what does God call you to do; ignore the poor in your community, or simply lend a helping hand with others? If your are saved, is your contribution "polluted" if it is co-mingled with contributions from the "unsaved", who had the same good intentions, good expression of their faith, as you did?

If you do not stand and present yourself, with your faith, openly, among people who have not come witness your faith, then who will? The only door you are closing is the door you shut your faith behind.


45 posted on 04/25/2005 9:00:19 AM PDT by Wuli (The democratic basis of the constitution is "we the people" not "we the court".)
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To: Blzbba

... perhaps they will find ministry opportunities they feel more comfortable with


46 posted on 04/25/2005 9:02:19 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: AndrewC

"Great! Isn't it amazing how God gets even atheists into the act."

I donate to Loaves and Fishes here in the Twin Cities, too. God has nothing to do with my donations, nor do I not donate to organizations that are church-based. I make donations based on what the organization does.


47 posted on 04/25/2005 9:02:39 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Protagoras

""However the New Testament (II Corinthians 6:14) also teaches us that we should not yoke ourselves unevenly (meaning with unbelievers). "
Why do you care what it teaches? You reject the central teaching, so who the heck cares what you think?"




Gosh, I don't know. I didn't write what you quoted. I quoted from James not from II Corinthians. Step back in the thread and you'll find the orginal poster of those words.

As for caring what I think, that's up to the individual reader. I know you don't care what I think. You've made that quite clear. Others' opinions may differ from yours. Isn't life in a free nation great?


49 posted on 04/25/2005 9:05:33 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Iscool

Actually, the parable of the Good Samaritan seems to fit this case perfectly!

We are expected to take care of all of God's people no matter who they are.


50 posted on 04/25/2005 9:07:24 AM PDT by BuckeyeOhio
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To: Wuli

"It seems to me the issue is not about doing something to "get you into heaven". The issue seems to be that as a person who believes you are saved, what do you do with your faith; "

And that, I believe, is the message in the passage from James that I quoted. It is not that works will get you into heaven, according to Christianity, but that works are evidence of your faith.

I suspect that the second chapter of James is not one of the frequently used texts in the church which cancelled its donation. It's not a popular New Testament book among some Protestant denominations.


51 posted on 04/25/2005 9:07:32 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Protagoras

"Your citing of a book you reject is like Hitler pontificating on the rights of citizens."




Ah...he who brings Hitler into the discussion loses automatically. You appear to have some sort of problem with my posting on this thread. Isn't it nice that you are not in charge of Free Republic?

Do you wish to comment on the passage I quoted from James? Perhaps you can offer an explanation for his views on the subjects of faith and works.


52 posted on 04/25/2005 9:09:45 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan
God has nothing to do with my donations,

Oh? And you contribute to an agency called "Loaves and Fishes"? Still, if your statement was completely true, North Carolina is a "richer" place.

53 posted on 04/25/2005 9:09:51 AM PDT by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: clarissaexplainsitall
What does "free for the asking" mean?

Just exactly what it says...Faith + nothing = Salvation...Just ask Jesus to save you...

Are you telling me sinners do not have to change their ways? Does Scott Peterson now get to be saved without changing his course?

Your heart gets changed...(Man judges the outward appearance, God judges the heart...)And as a result of the change of heart, you will see the sin that you previously took for granted...

Even Paul the Apostle couldn't get over his sinful nature after he got saved, For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

But to answer your question, you will repent in your heart as a result of your salvation and you will want, and try to do good, and will even succeed at times...

54 posted on 04/25/2005 9:11:04 AM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park!!!)
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To: MineralMan
Isn't life in a free nation great?

Yep, it's great to be free enough to point out what a hypocrite you are.

You quoting the bible is so far past ludicrous it's pathetic.

A believer in nothingness preaching what Christians should do in their relationships with each other is height of arrogance.

Believers caring what you say about faith is like the founders caring what King George thought about our new form of government.

55 posted on 04/25/2005 9:11:20 AM PDT by Protagoras (Christ is risen.)
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To: MineralMan; explodingspleen; El Gato; wrathof59; Norman Conquest; jwalburg; NotchJohnson; ...

I do not believe the issue is a matter of anyone "paying homage" to anyone else, or to any other "Church". The joint effort is not a "missionary" effort to "spread their version of the truth through ministry". As individuals and as contributing churches the joint effort of helping the poor is a mutual expression that comes, individually, from the persons and from each church, as an expression of something they feel called to do - helping the poor. It is not an effort that makes any attempt to say "I endorse you" or "you must endorse me". It is a mutual effort that endorses something they each feel called, in their own way, to do.

I believe the one church's negative response comes from a misplaced sense of fear; which they should not have if they believe God is walking with them.


56 posted on 04/25/2005 9:11:44 AM PDT by Wuli (The democratic basis of the constitution is "we the people" not "we the court".)
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To: AndrewC

"Oh? And you contribute to an agency called "Loaves and Fishes"? "

Sure. They do good work, wherever they are. The Bible exists. I agree with its social teachings, as I agree with Jesus' social teachings. It's very well done and represents the culmination of social mores up to the time Jesus lived.

I can do that without believing in the divinity of Jesus. Wise teachers leave behind wisdom, and wise men listen to wise teachers. That I do not believe in any sort of supernatural entity does not mean that I do not believe in the wisdom of wise men.


57 posted on 04/25/2005 9:12:57 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Protagoras

That's fine. You keep on making personal attacks. You're free to do so, and they don't bother me. If you don't mind, though, I'll refrain from returning such attacks. I find them noisome.


58 posted on 04/25/2005 9:15:13 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan
And that, I believe, is the message in the passage from James that I quoted. It is not that works will get you into heaven, according to Christianity, but that works are evidence of your faith.

That is the Protestant view of James 2.

59 posted on 04/25/2005 9:15:51 AM PDT by Pete
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To: MineralMan
Ah...he who brings Hitler into the discussion loses automatically.

That always has been incorrect. And being incorrect is what you do best. Not to mention that this isn't a competition, so there is no loser.

You appear to have some sort of problem with my posting on this thread.

No problem. Just making sure I get to comment about things just like you. You don't seem to be bright enough to understand how moronic your comments are on this subject.

Isn't it nice that you are not in charge of Free Republic?

Yes, I don't have the time nor inclination.

Do you wish to comment on the passage I quoted from James? Perhaps you can offer an explanation for his views on the subjects of faith and works.

Why on earth would I discuss the bible with someone who rejects it? You can't seriously think your opinion would matter one bit to any thinking person on this topic.

60 posted on 04/25/2005 9:17:36 AM PDT by Protagoras (Christ is risen.)
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