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Big church halts support of ministries
Charlotte Observer ^ | 4/24/05 | Ken Garfield

Posted on 04/25/2005 7:59:46 AM PDT by NotchJohnson

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To: Blzbba

See #199


201 posted on 04/25/2005 11:34:49 AM PDT by Protagoras (Christ is risen.)
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To: Protagoras

I can tell you didn't read what i posted or the context of it in Galatians.


202 posted on 04/25/2005 11:36:00 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Wuli

"I do not believe the issue is a matter of anyone "paying homage" to anyone else, or to any other "Church". The joint effort is not a "missionary" effort to "spread their version of the truth through ministry". As individuals and as contributing churches the joint effort of helping the poor is a mutual expression that comes, individually, from the persons and from each church, as an expression of something they feel called to do - helping the poor. It is not an effort that makes any attempt to say "I endorse you" or "you must endorse me". It is a mutual effort that endorses something they each feel called, in their own way, to do."

Refusing to work with other denominations is about pride (a sin), not faith. Many churches compete with one another, it seems, for tithes, rather than working together for universal salvation and charity. Within 25 square miles of my town, there are several churches. A large, well funded Baptist church, a tiny, home-based Pentescostal church, a larger Pentescostal church, a Kingdom Hall (Jehavoah's Witnesses), a Catholic church, a non-denominational church and a 7th day Adventist church.
Guess who cooperates for purposes of charity and gets the most done in the community? Roger, a lay pastor, who runs his Pentacostal church from his home (and has a huge cross on his mountain). He goes to town weekly and collects food for the needy, and distributes it to the churches with food programs, refusing to involve himself in inter-denominational warfare. The large wealthy Baptist church gets little done, and they refuse to deal with Roger and the Pentacostals. The Paster doesn't believe in working with non-Baptists. But Roger has put several travel trailors on his property and welcomes people who are down and out. If I called him today and said "my neighbor has no wood," Roger would bring him wood. The lady who runs the non-denominational church delivers food and clothing, etc..to those who don't have a car, and after a fire went through the area, she found two trailor homes for poor families who were burned out. She even obtained cat food for her pets. She found a man who gave several thousands of dollars to a formerly homeless woman (a pack rat with a dream to open a thrift shop), to rent a building for it.

Which "church" does Christ like the best? I don't think it's the one with the "correct" doctrine, rites or rituals. Or the one that emphasizes prophesy. Or the one that sends people door to door. Or the ones who believe they are the only Christians.

He would like them better if they were showing His love through their actions, rather than their doctrinal pride.



203 posted on 04/25/2005 11:38:12 AM PDT by followerofchrist
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To: NotchJohnson

I literally cannot remember how many times over the years I have heard the phrase "Faith without good works is dead". I believe that, and I also believe that you don't have to belong to a denomination to be enriched by helping those in need. I have heard good sermons on the subject of dead faith and I believe Jerry Falwell gave one of them. Never can I recall giving consideration to a need based on religious denomination. Obviously, this Charlotte church isn't hurting for money and that is not the basis for removing themselves from the ministry. It seems to me they could have just announced that they had decided to allocate their money in another area without dragging theology into it. I would bet that many of their 6000 church members are not at all pleased with this decision anyway. It's OK to set up their own soup line without making a big deal of withdrawing their paltry contribution to the existing one. They just need to be sure and put up a notice that hungry Catholics won't be allowed to take food out of the mouths of non-Catholics.


204 posted on 04/25/2005 11:39:25 AM PDT by mountainfolk (God bless President George Bush)
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To: Old Mountain man
It's hard to convert a man when you are kicking him in the butt.

I'm not in the conversion business.

My job as a Christian is to spread the gospel. Conversion is up to the Holy Spirit.

He knows the gospel, he rejects it. I can do nothing about that. What I can do, is point out that he is rude and insulting to me, and should be to all Christians.

And I'm not trying to convert you either. I merely point out that your behavior was akin to his when you entered the thread with an insult towards believers.

205 posted on 04/25/2005 11:41:01 AM PDT by Protagoras (Christ is risen.)
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To: Old Mountain man

What they do not understand is when you have faith with respect of persons you commit sin. The meat of the Gospel is lost on some of these simple minded.


206 posted on 04/25/2005 11:42:25 AM PDT by DarthVader (Liberal Democrat = Fat, drunk and stupid is a hell of a way to go through life)
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To: Protagoras

Pardon me, but I said nothing insulting to believers. I only stated the truth of the matter as I see it.


207 posted on 04/25/2005 11:45:15 AM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Raycpa

I read it. If I didn't understand it, it wouldn't be the first time.


208 posted on 04/25/2005 11:47:45 AM PDT by Protagoras (Christ is risen.)
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To: DarthVader

The job of a true Christian is to set an example, spread the Gospel wherever you can, take whatever actions you can to ease the suffering in the world. You know, like Jesus said, "even unto the least of these".


209 posted on 04/25/2005 11:47:59 AM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Protagoras

"Your condescending attitude is sickening. If atheists were capable of shame, you would be ashamed of yourself."

Most of my family are atheists or agnostics. They DO have shame and are NOT evil people because they lack faith. The truth is written on their hearts and I believe they will come to the Lord, as I did when I was an atheist. Being unkind to and insulting unbelievers will win no souls. I had many zealots try to convert me with anger and threats of hell, and it convinced me Christians were mean, crazy people. When I started meeting nice Christians my opinion of the faith got better and I read the bible more often. This showed me that Christ was being represented badly by many of His followers, and I came to admire Him. My heart opened up to Him and I accepted Him into my life.
Yeah, yeah, I know MM has said derogatory things. But Christians turn the other cheek and repay unkindness with kindness, and that is what brings shame to those without it.


210 posted on 04/25/2005 11:48:29 AM PDT by followerofchrist
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To: Old Mountain man
Pardon me, but I said nothing insulting to believers.

Of course you did. And purposely so IMO.

I only stated the truth of the matter as I see it.

The truth isn't determined by how "you see it".

211 posted on 04/25/2005 11:49:22 AM PDT by Protagoras (Christ is risen.)
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To: mountainfolk

Amen.


212 posted on 04/25/2005 11:50:31 AM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Protagoras

Sorry you take the truth as an insult.


213 posted on 04/25/2005 11:51:30 AM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Old Mountain man

" "even unto the least of these".


What? Where's the "unless these are Catholics or Muzlims. Jesus can't STAND those guys!!" clause that this faux Christian church appears to be following?


214 posted on 04/25/2005 11:53:20 AM PDT by Blzbba ("Under every stone lurks a politician. " Aristophanes, 410 BC)
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To: All
Years ago, I had a son born with a very serious heart defect. They were transferring him from my hospital to another hospital to do an emergency heart operation on him. They asked if I wanted anything.

I stated that I wanted the baby baptized. Since it was a Catholic hospital, the priest came and baptized the baby. Afterwards, he talked to me quietly that I could have the baby "baptized" in my own church since I was not Catholic.

I asked him, "Did he believe in God and Jesus Christ as his only begotten son." He replied, "Yes." My statement to him was, "So do I believe in God and Jesus Christ as his only begotten son. We just chose to worship him differently. Since you can only be baptized "once", I will not be having the baby baptized in "my" church. The baby was baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost and that is all that is needed".

He seemed shocked with my reply, thought about it a minute and then said, "You are right"!
215 posted on 04/25/2005 11:53:38 AM PDT by BuckeyeOhio
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To: Old Mountain man

You are hitting the nail right on the head. They are being poor stewards of the Gospel and insulting the Lord. He will cause commotion in that church to discipline these people and their faulty doctrine.


216 posted on 04/25/2005 11:53:58 AM PDT by DarthVader (Liberal Democrat = Fat, drunk and stupid is a hell of a way to go through life)
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To: Protagoras
...all believers should be insulted when a person who thinks you are stupid and childish tells you how to interact with each other.

Believer or not, I would think anyone with a brain would be insulted by that sort of belittling.

217 posted on 04/25/2005 11:53:59 AM PDT by Peanut Gallery
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To: followerofchrist
I had many zealots try to convert me with anger and threats of hell, and it convinced me Christians were mean, crazy people.

Thanks for sharing, but I never did anything rem,otely like that, so why you are telling me is anyone's guess.

When I started meeting nice Christians my opinion of the faith got better and I read the bible more often.

Excellent.

This showed me that Christ was being represented badly by many of His followers, and I came to admire Him. My heart opened up to Him and I accepted Him into my life.

Great witness, thank you for sharing your witness.

Yeah, yeah, I know MM has said derogatory things. But Christians turn the other cheek and repay unkindness with kindness, and that is what brings shame to those without it.

Point well taken.

218 posted on 04/25/2005 11:54:07 AM PDT by Protagoras (Christ is risen.)
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To: Blzbba

Sorry, I don't practice that.


219 posted on 04/25/2005 11:54:24 AM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Protagoras

"The truth isn't determined by how "you see it"."


Something you'd do well to remember yourself.


220 posted on 04/25/2005 11:54:37 AM PDT by Blzbba ("Under every stone lurks a politician. " Aristophanes, 410 BC)
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