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Big church halts support of ministries
Charlotte Observer ^ | 4/24/05 | Ken Garfield

Posted on 04/25/2005 7:59:46 AM PDT by NotchJohnson

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To: NotchJohnson

Sounds like they need more money to put into promoting homosexuality, gay marriages, removing drug laws, promoting anti-semitism, etc. The usual stuff the liberal-left churches do.


101 posted on 04/25/2005 9:51:53 AM PDT by jim_trent
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To: Modernman
Let me guess, another atheist trying to establish his bonafides?
102 posted on 04/25/2005 9:52:44 AM PDT by Protagoras (Christ is risen.)
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To: Old Mountain man
Thanks for praying for people.

What denomination brought you to the savior?

103 posted on 04/25/2005 9:54:19 AM PDT by Protagoras (Christ is risen.)
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To: Protagoras

Nope, I'm a Deist.


104 posted on 04/25/2005 9:55:44 AM PDT by Modernman ("Work is the curse of the drinking classes." -Oscar Wilde)
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To: Protagoras

Why, I don't think I'll tell you at the moment. I'll just pray for you.


105 posted on 04/25/2005 9:55:57 AM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Protagoras

"Goodness? How does that work for a believer in nothing. No good or evil is possible in your religion."

Amazing. I have no religion. That does not mean I do not have a clear understanding of good and evil, nor does it mean that I have no clearly defined morality.

Those I learned from my parents and from my own studies. They are just as solid as yours, I guarantee. Among them is the belief that insulting people is wrong. That is why I do not do that, and if I fail and somehow insult someone, I apologize and try not do do so again.

Further, I do not believe in nothing. I have many beliefs. I do disbelieve in supernatural entities, however, but I recognize that many people do believe in them, and wish them well in their beliefs, so long as those beliefs do not lead them to do evil.

I believe in people's actions as an indication of their moral compass, not their words or professions of faith. If you act in good ways, then I will consider you a good person with a strong moral sense. If not, then I will consider you in another light.

Be well.


106 posted on 04/25/2005 9:56:45 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: El Gato
Rev. Conrad Hoover of St. Ann Catholic Church

Aren't Catholic priests generally refered to as "Father", as in Father Flannigan (of Boys Town fame)?

It's "The Reverend", not just "Reverend".

A subtle distinction, but we wince when we hear someone styling themself as "Reverend", as in "Reverend Jesse Jackson".

I have also seen priests addressed in writing as "Fr.", I thought it meant "Friar", at first, was embarrassed later at my mistake.

107 posted on 04/25/2005 10:00:13 AM PDT by johnb838 (Free Republicans... To Arms!)
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To: Petronski; Blzbba; Tax-chick; TaxRelief; MineralMan
I mean, really. WWJD?

He'd splash around a bunch of vicious, snooty rhetoric about "Papist heresy," of course.

And then He would want us to constantly urinate on one another's shoes over fine points of doctrine, scream malapropism at unbelievers, and generally act like a bunch of brainless savages.

Sometimes I wonder if those who declare themselves so even know the same Christ I do. Maybe we should require all church leaders to read Matthew 23 every morning before they leave home. It certainly couldn't hurt.

108 posted on 04/25/2005 10:01:08 AM PDT by NCSteve
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To: Modernman
I'm a Deist.

That would make someone care about what you think about a God. And maybe on the right thread you could tell people why you reject Christ, but no one should really care what you think about how Christians should act with one another.

109 posted on 04/25/2005 10:02:53 AM PDT by Protagoras (Christ is risen.)
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To: NCSteve

The Lord loves us all, of course, but I think if He was on the ground today, he would spend a period of time slapping the crap out of the so-called Christians.

8-)


110 posted on 04/25/2005 10:03:05 AM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Old Mountain man
Why, I don't think I'll tell you at the moment. I'll just pray for you.

Ok, thanks.

I was just curious why, if you valued me coming to Christ, you wouldn't tell me how to do it differently than I'm doing it. What I'm doing must be wrong,,,right?

111 posted on 04/25/2005 10:05:42 AM PDT by Protagoras (Christ is risen.)
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To: Old Mountain man

Many a loving smack has been handed out by a caring father. We could hope for no less.


112 posted on 04/25/2005 10:06:05 AM PDT by NCSteve
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To: NotchJohnson

When Jesus told us to feed the poor, I don't recall him making exceptions for Catholic assistance.


113 posted on 04/25/2005 10:07:03 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: MineralMan
Amazing. I have no religion. That does not mean I do not have a clear understanding of good and evil, nor does it mean that I have no clearly defined morality.

Ooops. no God, no right or wrong. Maybe you can explain to me how there is right or wrong in your religion.

114 posted on 04/25/2005 10:07:07 AM PDT by Protagoras (Christ is risen.)
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To: Old Mountain man
These are the foundation stones of my religion: Faith in Jesus Christ and whatever works I am capable of doing as an offering unto Him.

Absolutely...And hopefully, the 'faith in Jesus as your savior' came first...

115 posted on 04/25/2005 10:08:45 AM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park!!!)
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To: NCSteve

I'm a big fan of Matthew. It's less popular, though, in some churches than the writings of Paul. I've never quite understood that, but it sure seems to be true.

Matthew seems to me to be the clearest Biblical statement of how Christians should live. I remember memorizing the entire book when I was a teenager.


116 posted on 04/25/2005 10:09:50 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan
I believe that any religion that puts its faith in anything except the free gift of salvation from Jesus Christ is unbelief. The question to you then would be do Catholics believe this and only this? Or does the Catholic church base any part of salvation on works?
117 posted on 04/25/2005 10:12:08 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Protagoras

"Ooops. no God, no right or wrong. Maybe you can explain to me how there is right or wrong in your religion."

As I said before, I have no religion. Right and wrong are concepts laid out, not only in religion, but it all social systems. It is a mistake to assume that the only people who have a morality and a knowledge of what is right and wrong just happen to be Christians.

You're free to believe that, I suppose, but it's just not true.


118 posted on 04/25/2005 10:12:31 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan
Among them is the belief that insulting people is wrong. That is why I do not do that, and if I fail and somehow insult someone, I apologize and try not do do so again.

If you really mean that, apologise and leave the thread because your presence here quoting scripture to believers is an insult.

I'd bet plenty that won't happen.

119 posted on 04/25/2005 10:12:43 AM PDT by Protagoras (Christ is risen.)
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To: Iscool

"Absolutely...And hopefully, the 'faith in Jesus as your savior' came first..."

Bingo. Faith in Jesus then works will follow. Those who teach salvation through works has it wrong.


120 posted on 04/25/2005 10:12:54 AM PDT by dmanLA
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