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To: HostileTerritory

Your school of hypothetical red herrings have nothing to do with what is stated in the article. Maybe you can point out to me where in the article somethign like this occured? Just because pone unknown kid CLAIMS he was called a derogatory name by one unkown person for unstated reasons is no reason to bring in the federal courts and claim there is a "systemic problem". Aggressive secularists, working through the courts, are the real systemic problem.


The Christians on that campus have just as much right to speak their beliefs as the athiests on that campus do. This is an effort to shut them up. If some cadets don't like being told they will go to hell if they don't repent then they do not have the pschological strength required for the job, IMO.

What the cadets say and learn about in their own chapel services is their business, and it should not have to be approved by atheists. We are utterly disgusted with nonbelievers playing victim to shut us up.


53 posted on 04/24/2005 4:46:49 PM PDT by Ahban
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To: Ahban
There were 55 complaints. If you want to believe the complaints are false and those cadets are lying, you can do that. That would make it hard to explain why the faculty took it upon itself to discipline some officers.

Aggressive secularists, working through the courts, are the real systemic problem.

The complaints were filed by people of faith who didn't happen to share the same way of expressing their faith as other cadets and teachers. They were cadets who were enrolled in the Air Force Academy who wished to serve their country, and did not wish to have to join a Pentecostal congregation do that fully.

If some cadets don't like being told they will go to hell if they don't repent then they do not have the pschological strength required for the job

Again, you think that officers of the U.S. Air Force should be telling non-Protestant cadets they're going to Hell if they don't worship God the way they do? Forget whether or not you agree with them--is that consistent with how the U.S. military operates?

What the cadets say and learn about in their own chapel services

That's the stupidest red herring yet. Yes, this is really about atheists wanting to dictate what people say in their chapel services. You're twisting yourself into a pretzel trying to blame all those people who aren't tough enough to give up their faith and become Pentecostal or Baptist because that's what they should expect to do when they join the U.S. Air Force. And people wonder why it's a miracle when we get 50% of Catholics and 30% of Jews to vote for conservatives.
54 posted on 04/24/2005 7:50:53 PM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: Ahban
What the cadets say and learn about in their own chapel services is their business, and it should not have to be approved by atheists.

The best advice you can receive on this matter is to go worship in a church that isn't paid for by the U.S. Government, because, as you undoubtedly must know, what the government pays for, the government gets to regulate.

As for witnessing, that too should be taken off campus. I used to be a cadet at a military college in the Southeast back in the 1980s, and I was never, not once, accosted by anyone trying to convert me (I'm Episcopalian, for the record). If I had been accosted by another cadet on campus in such a manner, I would have filed a complaint with the commandant's office.

57 posted on 04/25/2005 1:33:57 PM PDT by aQ_code_initiate
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