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To: CasearianDaoist

"You know most of the greats on the pure research side did not have CS degrees at all - Knuth, Kay, McCarthy. A good many of them ended up with Turing prizes."

Cheap shot. They were educated *before* CS really took off as a field (which was in the 1960s and 1970s).

Nevertheless, CS touches other fields so there is oppty for someone in other fields/depts to contribute to CS and vice versa. E.g. any good applied mathematician can work in theoretical computer science and/or algorithms, if they want to study those problems.

As one of my applied math profs used to say:

"Whats the difference between CS and applied math?"
"About $10,000 a year" (more for the CS profs)


11 posted on 04/23/2005 9:22:10 PM PDT by WOSG (Liberating Iraq - http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com)
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To: WOSG
"You know most of the greats on the pure research side did not have CS degrees at all - Knuth, Kay, McCarthy. A good many of them ended up with Turing prizes."

What's tragic is the amount of work done today by people who don't seem to have ever read Knuth.

BTW, I find it interesting that the original Pentium bug occurred in long-division with some immensely-complicated circuitry that was needed to do two bits at a time. I came up with a simple method for doing many bits at a time (turns out someone else came up with it to); someone who read Knuth would have gotten a clue to the method, though Knuth (at least in 1969) didn't take it all the way.

16 posted on 04/23/2005 10:12:46 PM PDT by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
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To: WOSG
"You know most of the greats on the pure research side did not have CS degrees at all - Knuth, Kay, McCarthy. A good many of them ended up with Turing prizes."

Actually its a fair observation. Mike Karels (chief principal programmer for 4.3BSD at UC Berkeley) has his degree in Microbiology from Notre Dame. I started life as a Molecular Biologist in 1976. Computer science and electrical engineering (all self taught) have served me well for almost 30 years. My colleague in Mclean, VA has a masters in Math from Stanford and a PhD from Yale. He writes some pretty amazing digital signal processing algorithms. Another colleague is a medical doctor. He excels at Oracle database design. He teaches the subject at a local college when not performing top quality work on contract at my office.

In general, a CS grad arrives for work with just a passing familiarity with a broad range of CS topics. Most lack experience working on team projects. What passes for a "big" project in a classroom is generally a trivial exercise for a sharp CS professional. In the process of hiring, I treat a CS degree as a sign of aptitude for the subject. The field moves so fast that you must constantly read the latest books to be current enough to be marketable.

24 posted on 04/23/2005 11:07:37 PM PDT by Myrddin
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