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BRONX 'TERRI' BATTLE
nypost.com ^ | By ED ROBINSON and CLEMENTE LISI

Posted on 04/22/2005 9:16:05 PM PDT by paltz

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1 posted on 04/22/2005 9:16:05 PM PDT by paltz
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To: paltz

Slippery slope?

Try cliffdiving


2 posted on 04/22/2005 9:18:04 PM PDT by Crazieman (If Con is the opposite of Pro, what is the opposite of Progress?)
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To: paltz
Montefiore spokesman Steve Osborne said, "Our doctors have conducted several tests on the child's brain and have determined that he is brain-dead."

The 'Brain-dead' kid has lots of usable body parts.

3 posted on 04/22/2005 9:29:22 PM PDT by Slyfox
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The 'brain-dead' kid has zero usable body parts without the parents' permission.


4 posted on 04/22/2005 9:30:36 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: Brad's Gramma; Pegita; floriduh voter; Ohioan from Florida; tutstar; Pepper777; nicmarlo; ...

Culture-of-Death PING! Why do some doctors insist on playing God?


5 posted on 04/22/2005 9:32:09 PM PDT by STARWISE (FIGHT JUDICIAL TYRANNY- CALL TO URGE COURAGE-SENATORS @ 866-808-0065+ REPS @ (202) 224-3121.FIGHT4US)
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To: paltz

Taran was hooked up to a respirator and moved on Tuesday to Montefiore for surgery.

His mother, Marcerlyn Francis, said the operation involved stopping her son's lung functions...

Huh?

6 posted on 04/22/2005 9:35:49 PM PDT by elli1
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To: AntiGuv; Slyfox

Wouldn't the infection the patient had rule organ donation?


7 posted on 04/22/2005 9:39:19 PM PDT by elli1
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To: AntiGuv; Slyfox

I meant 'rule OUT' organ donation.


8 posted on 04/22/2005 9:40:19 PM PDT by elli1
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I don't know about that, but I do know that they have been playing around with the definition of 'brain-dead' precisely to permit more organs available for transplanting.
9 posted on 04/22/2005 9:42:51 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: STARWISE
Headache on Monday, convulsions on Tuesday, brain-dead on Friday.

An "infection"--gee, isn't modern medical science wonderful.

Second opinion? Yeah, get a second doctor, a second hospital and a second lawyer.

10 posted on 04/22/2005 9:45:37 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Slyfox

Don't think this is what you're talking about, but I think it's fairly common practice to keep a brain-dead person on life support long enough to arrange transplants & to keep the organs viable for transplanting.


11 posted on 04/22/2005 9:51:25 PM PDT by elli1
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To: Mr. Silverback; PistolPaknMama; IleeneWright

ping


12 posted on 04/22/2005 9:52:20 PM PDT by Fam4Bush (More things are wrought by prayer than this world dreams of..........A.L. Tennyson)
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To: paltz; Ohioan from Florida; amdgmary

praying for the family to get a different result from an independent doctor.


13 posted on 04/22/2005 9:54:50 PM PDT by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer) (It was wrong to kill her. No other "facts" matter.-JimRobinson)
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To: elli1

There is a snag if dopamine is used to keep the kidneys functioning. Too many organs become unusable. This has promted many 'brain death protocols' to be instituted very early in the process. The brain monitoring must be very very precise, to prevent the harvesting too soon, since some have been known to 'come back' after a period of what appears like the 'brain-dead' status. Putting a patient into intentional coma is done to give a traumatized brain a period for recovery. In some cases the coma presents as 'brain-dead' if great care is not taken to measure brain activty precisely. The parents are right to insist on more time for their son, especially at his age.


15 posted on 04/22/2005 10:03:40 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: STARWISE

Oh my......since Terri, we are just hearing more and more of the culture of death, and their vultures!!!It is a sad day in America when , with all the technology surrounding us, we still insist on KILLING the disabled!!


16 posted on 04/22/2005 10:17:25 PM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: pollywog

I am sensitive to this issue, also. But if this poor youngman is actually irreversibly brain dead, I do believe in letting go. [Unlike the Terri Schaivo situation, where there was no 'beyond a reasonable doubt' finding that she was 'gone from her body'.] I had to face these issues with my beloved brother, so this is an issue with direct connection for me.


17 posted on 04/22/2005 10:24:06 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN

Thank you for the additional information.


18 posted on 04/22/2005 10:24:52 PM PDT by elli1
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"There is a snag if dopamine is used to keep the kidneys functioning. Too many organs become unusable. This has promted many 'brain death protocols' to be instituted very early in the process. The brain monitoring must be very very precise, to prevent the harvesting too soon, since some have been known to 'come back' after a period of what appears like the 'brain-dead' status. Putting a patient into intentional coma is done to give a traumatized brain a period for recovery. In some cases the coma presents as 'brain-dead' if great care is not taken to measure brain activty precisely. The parents are right to insist on more time for their son, especially at his age."

First, Dopamine is not capable of 'keeping the Kidneys functioning'...it can improve renal blood flow at low doses, but that's about it.

Second, where does the article mention 'organ donation'? I did not see it.

Last, I take with a grain of salt any article that states..."His mother, Marcerlyn Francis, said the operation involved stopping her son's lung functions and that a doctor told her yesterday her son was brain-dead. "

This is inherently incorrect, and unless he was placed on a bypass machine, did not happen.

I'm not saying the Doctors are right or wrong, only that the article seems like little more than 'fluff' the way it is written.

19 posted on 04/22/2005 10:36:33 PM PDT by Ethrane ("semper consolar")
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To: elli1
"Then Taran's condition took a turn for the worse. He went into convulsions and became unconscious." Sounds like brain swelling and they took him to surgery to insert a drain for accumulating fluid. If he were in his forties, I'd say he's gone now, but at his age, there is a chance that he will recover somewhat, perhaps even completely, but the odds are very slim ... the swelling is a vicious circle of dying cells and accumulating fluid and pressure cutting off blood supply/oxygen and more dying cells, etc.
20 posted on 04/22/2005 10:40:56 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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