Posted on 04/22/2005 9:35:16 AM PDT by metalmanx2j
i share the sentiment of most on this board and am totally opposed to this, but i was at the bookstore the other day and notice soooo many books talking about gay marriage. The question is when have so many books been written about a subject and the law not been changed?
any examples?
Well, there may be a distinction here between the teachings of the Church and Holy Scripture. While there are a number of examples, I offer two:
Remind them to be subject to rulers and authorities, to obey, to be ready for every good work [Titus 3:1]
Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's [Matthew 22:21]
It is certainly up to the individual to determine when and how to resist wrong things. For example, I would agree that a Christian may choose to resign rather than issue marriage licenses to homosexuals. On the other hand, it would be inappropriate simply to refuse to issue them if their job requires them to.
For what it is worth, the sixth commandment is Thou shalt not murder; there are circumstances where killing is both legal and moral (war, self-defense, etc.)
The only place that I recall where the Bible offers explicit guidance to disobey civil authority is in the book of Revelation, where believers are instructed to refuse to take the mark of the anti-Christ, even to the point of death if necessary.
Church teachings should be Biblical; otherwise they constitute interpretation of Scripture, much as liberal judges interpret the Constitution to discover hidden separation of Church and State meaning.
Words mean what they say or should.
It takes time to turn public opinion. The media is going to work overtime to indoctrinate our youth into either cowering away from confrontation over a belief against homosexuality, or empowering supporters to become more vocal and demanging. The young are the most impressionable. The more they become supportive of the gay lifestyle, the more they will be targeted with it as consumers in the marketplace. They spend their money and the marketplace wants it.
It's happening today. Look at the Molotov cocktails getting hurled at Pope Benedict before the smoke has even dissipated from the Sistine Chapel stovepipe. The Logo network, operated by MTV, will be a BASIC channel dedicated to gay and lesbian programming. The voters of tomorrow are going to be brainwashed until marriage becomes nothing but a "word".
It takes time. Watch. Better yet, don't watch. Turn off the television. It peddles Death, not Life...
I agree - like "eat my flesh, drink my blood".
Bravo! Long live Benedict XVI!
The Vicar of Christ?
Who the hell are they to tell him what to do?
An intrinsically evil law is no law. Authorities attempting to implement intrinsically evil laws have no authority to do so. It's as simple as that.
You represent the Catholic Church doctrine as authoritative; I submit to you, however, that the Bible is the ultimate authority.
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. [2 Timothy 3:16-17]
Where mans law is in conflict with Gods law, Gods law should be obeyed. The Church is composed on Godly men, but men nevertheless. Where the Churchs doctrine is in conflict with Scripture, Gods word should be obeyed. As long as there is no conflict with Scripture, Church doctrine may be followed. Where there is no applicable Scripture or Church doctrine, then a Christian should follow their conscience.
Specifically, the Bible states that homosexuality is a sin; it does not say that issuing a marriage license to homosexuals is a sin. If the law required me to be a homosexual, I would refuse (clear conflict with Gods law). If I were a license clerk and the law required me to issue a marriage license to homosexuals, I would have to resign in protest (matter of conscience).
The Holocaust example puts a very fine point on this issue. Being commanded by superior officers to commit premeditated murder is a direct conflict with Gods law. Truly, your question WWJD is an interesting one. We know that Jesus died on the cross as a sin offering for all of us, so that whoever believes in Him will not die but have life everlasting. I suspect Jesus would have resisted unto death.
On the other hand, what would Jesus have US do? I am not qualified to attempt to answer. I know He would not have us submit; whether to resign, refuse, or obstruct, however, is the hard part. Again, a matter of conscience.
I would like to think I would obstruct at risk of my own death, since there is no greater love than to lay down ones life for his friends. In truth, I cannot know what I would have done.
Why?
Where's that in the Bible?
Actually, the Gospel of Luke reads more like this.
And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me". Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you." [Luke 22:19-20]
Therefore, we honor Christs sacrifice when we eat the bread and drink the cup.
"If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector." --Jesus (Matthew 18:17)Because the Church is "the pillar and foudation of truth."
1 Timothy 3:15"if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth."
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. [2 Timothy 3:16-17]
Hey there was no Bible until the Catholic Church 'canonized' it. St Peter did not have the Bible as his authority.
They adopt from Central and South America mainly. And some asian kids too.
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