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SAN FRANCISCO: Residents think city's deteriorating, survey says
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 4/22/5 | Ilene Lelchuk, Charlie Goodyear and Rachel Gordon

Posted on 04/22/2005 7:45:57 AM PDT by SmithL

Infrastructure seen as worsening since Newsom took over.

San Francisco parks, recreation programs, streets, bus service and libraries are all in worse shape than they were before Mayor Gavin Newsom took office, according to a state of the city resident survey released Thursday.

It's the first comprehensive public measure of how the city is faring now that Newsom has spent a full year in office. The more than 3,700 residents polled gave San Francisco a C+ for how it provides basic services. And about the only positive note was that residents said they felt the city was safer.

Only 37 percent said the city was doing a good or very good job, according to the 10th annual survey by city Controller Ed Harrington's office. Parents, who might spend more time at playgrounds and recreation centers, had a worse opinion of life in the city.

On the southeast side of town, despite Newsom's efforts to address gang violence and decrepit conditions at aging public housing projects there, residents gave city services even worse ratings.

Some of the dissatisfaction can be attributed to the city's money troubles. To close budget gaps, Muni riders were hit with a 25 cent fare increase last year, grants for street resurfacing dropped sharply in the last three years, a hiring freeze has meant fewer gardeners at the parks, and recreation centers started closing one day a week in December.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
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To: mnehrling
Have you noticed the cleanest parts of the city are the private parks that businesses own...

Absolutely right, Anything privately owned and maintained is great. City owned and maintained streets, sidewalks and parks are falling apart. My building makes a heroic effort to keep its plaza area clean, but it can't do anything about the sidewalks across the street.

21 posted on 04/22/2005 8:16:06 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Violence never settles anything." Genghis Khan, 1162-1227)
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To: Michael.SF.
Are you in Vallejo? Napa and Sonoma Counties are awesome, so beautiful! I haven't been to the new ballpark or the new Embarcadero, I trust your take on it. The only part of the city I would even consider going to is Chrissy Field, that awesome view of the Golden Gate and the Marin Headlands!
22 posted on 04/22/2005 8:16:06 AM PDT by scott says
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To: Labyrinthos
Perhaps, but Texas remains the dirtiest state that I have ever visited. Garbage and ltter everywhere. I guess I don't see it as you do.. I travel A LOT and I keep coming back thinking how clean Texas is (for the most part..) Sure, there are some little redneck towns like Ore City and Crosbyton that are nasty but traveling most of the interstates, it seems very clean.. I personally think Dallas and Houston are far cleaner than LA, NYC or San Fran, but that is just my opinion..
23 posted on 04/22/2005 8:26:01 AM PDT by mnehring (http://www.mlearningworld.com)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

What building are you in Mr. Jeeves?


24 posted on 04/22/2005 8:27:09 AM PDT by mnehring (http://www.mlearningworld.com)
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To: OldFriend

I really don't think so. First of all, you can't compare a city with over 8 million to one of less than a million. One of the ridiculous policies SF had was it's ridiculous homeless policy. Homeless folks were getting a big fat check for just chillin' and they flocked to SF. Actually I don't know where you live, but I have lived in NYC all my life and if anything, there's been a slight deterioration since Giuliani left office but it hasn't gotten terrible. For the most part, crime is fairly low for a city this size. OK, we're one of those very Blue cities....but really that is another topic.


25 posted on 04/22/2005 8:27:15 AM PDT by brooklyn dave
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To: SmithL

SF is like every major city in America, they've all been ruined by liberalism. PERIOD!


26 posted on 04/22/2005 8:27:32 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: scott says
Benicia actually.

I should have also mentioned Crissy Field. Since the City took over the Presidio, they have also done a great job in making that area a great open space recreational area. If you have not seen it in the last year or two, you should. They have removed the air strip and replaced it with a tidal area/wetlands, but with multi use pathways (bikes/jog/walk).

Business takes me into the city fairly often, otherwise, I would only go there for occasional games (Niner's mostly.

27 posted on 04/22/2005 8:31:27 AM PDT by Michael.SF.
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To: Michael.SF.
When I first moved here from CT {GO PATS!!!] I first lived in Crockett, with my sister. I now live in San Rafael, Lucas Valley.Skywalker Ranch is right around the corner from me. Lucas is moving into the new Presidio, as you know. There are nice parts of the City. Thats what is so sad about the deterioration of the City,I'm sure 20 years ago it was amazing.I wish it was cleaner and more "user friendly" as I would go enjoy the sights and sounds.
28 posted on 04/22/2005 8:42:23 AM PDT by scott says
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To: mnehrling
I travel A LOT and I keep coming back thinking how clean Texas is (for the most part..) Sure, there are some little redneck towns like Ore City and Crosbyton that are nasty but traveling most of the interstates, it seems very clean.. I personally think Dallas and Houston are far cleaner than LA, NYC or San Fran, but that is just my opinion..

I recall driving from Harlington TX to South Padre Island and seeing piles and piles of garbage along to highway. And then every morning I was up at dawn to go fishing only to find mounds of trash and debri scattered across what would have otherwise been a beautiful beach or flat. I found the conditions similar in the Hill Country outside of San Antonio and in the Corpus Christi area. Although I can't speak for San Fran or LA, in my opinion, NYC is now (as opposed to 15 years ago) one of the cleanest cities in the United States given the fact that 8 million people live in a relatively small area (that's more people than the combined population of Houston, Dallas, LA, and San Fran), and a couple million more people visit the City every work day to work or play.

29 posted on 04/22/2005 8:49:19 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: scott says

Yep, it just wouldn't feel like the San Francisco I know without the omnipresent smell of stale urine.


30 posted on 04/22/2005 9:22:49 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: mnehrling
What building are you in Mr. Jeeves?

One Bush Street, at Bush and Market. ;)

31 posted on 04/22/2005 9:31:22 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Violence never settles anything." Genghis Khan, 1162-1227)
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To: scott says
I'm sure 20 years ago it was amazing.

When I was a kid in the early 60's and would come up to SF (from LA)to visit my grandparents (by bus, alone at age 10), I looked forward to going into the City with my grandfather to look at the new cars at the dealerships on Van Ness.

He would actually put on a suit (though he was retired), just to take me to see the latest releases. Times were much different then and people had respect for each other, but more importantly for themselves.

And a ten year old could ride a Greyhound, alone and not be bothered.

32 posted on 04/22/2005 10:13:55 AM PDT by Michael.SF.
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To: SmithL
I live in Sonoma County north of SF. The liberals dominate the entire bay area, not just the city of SF. Our county as an example, went 2 to 1 for Kerry in the last election. Our Representative is Lynn Woolsey, one of the most far lefties in the house. This county is predominately white and you would think would lean to the right. I guess too many aging hippies.
33 posted on 04/22/2005 10:53:20 AM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: glorgau
Yep, it just wouldn't feel like the San Francisco I know without the omnipresent smell of stale urine.

Seattle is the same way. Fortunately, it rains a lot here. If it doesn't rain for a couple of weeks, you just about can't breathe downtown. The overwhelming ammonia smell from all of the homeless people drunken bums urinating all over the place will just about knock you out.

34 posted on 04/22/2005 11:12:02 AM PDT by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: Michael.SF.
Obviously times have changed. You can expect every place to "deteriorate" as civilization plods on,SF is worse because of the wacky politicians,especially the asinine homeless policies.Take care of the basics first, clean streets,ect...before you make gay marriage a priority, and other social issues.
35 posted on 04/22/2005 11:45:59 AM PDT by scott says
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To: SmithL
NOOOO !!!! How could a workers paradise like San Fransicko be deteriorating (off sarcasm)
36 posted on 04/22/2005 11:47:48 AM PDT by clamper1797 (This Vietnam Vet ain't Fonda Kerry)
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To: Michael.SF.
When I was a kid in the early 60's and would come up to SF (from LA)to visit my grandparents (by bus, alone at age 10), I looked forward to going into the City with my grandfather to look at the new cars at the dealerships on Van Ness.

He would actually put on a suit (though he was retired), just to take me to see the latest releases. Times were much different then and people had respect for each other, but more importantly for themselves.

And a ten year old could ride a Greyhound, alone and not be bothered.

You're really fortunate to have grown up in a time like that.

Cherish those memories.

37 posted on 04/22/2005 11:59:53 AM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus (Socialists are blessed with the desire to serve others. That's why most of them work @ McDonalds)
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To: Michael.SF.

Benicia is a beautiful town. One of my co-workers got married in one of those spectacular old mansions.


38 posted on 04/22/2005 12:13:16 PM PDT by SmithL (Proud Submariner)
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To: scott says
I'm sure 20 years ago it was amazing

I lived off Ocean Ave. from '84 - '85. Too many wacko's running around back then, too, but still had some interesting neighborhoods. You just have to know what areas to lock your doors.

Yeah, back in the '60's, 'til about '68, women wore white gloves downtown. Imagine that.

But back then, you had the "Perfect Storm" of liberalism come together in the Bay Area...Vietnam/political activism, the environmental movement begins, low rent housing in the Haight, and the Berkeley Free-Speach Movement. All that has changed the Bay Area drastically over the last 40 years.

39 posted on 04/22/2005 12:17:40 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: Michael.SF.
they have also done a great job in making that area a great open space recreational area.

The entire waterfront from Crissy to PacBell stadium is a tribute to urban planning & renewal. SF is a like a thoroughbred hitched to a haycart; when given the chance, it reverts to form ie beautiful. One can only imagine how the city would be under a more moderate form of government - probably like the 50s when my dad first arrived.

40 posted on 04/22/2005 12:23:55 PM PDT by lemura
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