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Evolution puts state in spotlight [Kansas]
The Lawrence Journal-World ^ | 22 April 2005 | Scott Rothschild

Posted on 04/22/2005 4:21:47 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

Evolution found a home Thursday in the oldest church in Kansas during a forum about the controversy over science instruction for public school students.

"There is no conflict between evolution and the Christian faith," said the Rev. Peter Luckey, the senior pastor of Plymouth Congregational Church, 925 Vt.

Luckey was preaching to the choir during a five-hour forum that featured scientists, teachers and politicians who argued in favor of teaching students evolution because it is the foundation of science, knowledge of which will be needed to compete for jobs in the growing bioscience industry.

About 75 people attended the forum at Plymouth, which was founded in 1854 and was the first established church in the Kansas Territory. Attempts to inject intelligent design -- the notion that there is a master planner for all life -- into science class should be rejected, they said.

"Intelligent design is nothing but creationism in a cheap tuxedo," said Leonard Krishtalka, director of the Kansas University Natural History Museum and Biodiversity Research Center.

‘Think critically'

The forum was another round in the debate that has thrust Kansas on the national stage.

With control of the State Board of Education in conservative hands [AAARRGGHHH!!], state officials again will consider science standards that will guide teachers.

A committee of scientists has drafted standards that include evolution teaching, but a minority report, led by proponents of intelligent design, wants criticism of evolution included. A State Board of Education committee, comprising three conservative [AARRGHH!!] board members, plans six days of hearings that will revolve around that debate.

The speakers at Thursday's forum were adamant that evolution instruction not be reduced, watered down or dumbed down.

Gov. Kathleen Sebelius' science adviser, Lee Allison, said when the state approved a $500 million bioscience initiative, it included a provision to recruit top scholars who met the standards of the National Academy of Sciences, which supports evolution without equivocation.

"The state really has taken a position on this in a broad, bipartisan way," Allison said.

Charles Decedue, executive director of the Higuchi Biosciences Center, said teaching evolution was critical because bioscience companies want to locate in places where the work force has received a solid education in chemistry, physics and biology.

"They want people who can think critically," he said.

‘Hayseed state'

Andrew Stangl, a Kansas University sophomore, said his high school science teachers in his hometown of Andover refused to teach evolution.

He bought books and taught himself. He said fear of teaching evolution would hurt the United States in the long term. "I don't want to see other countries pass us by. We are going to economically suffer as a result," he said.

In 1999, Kansas made international news, much of it negative, when a conservative [AARRGGHH!!] board de-emphasized evolution. The 2000 election returned moderates to power, and evolution was reinstated. But with conservatives [AARRGGHH!!] back in control, international criticism was starting again, several panelists said.

Rachel Robson, a doctoral candidate at KU Medical Center, said one of her friends was applying for a job with a Japanese company, and the company officials made fun of Kansas and questioned whether good scientists could come from there.

Thursday's forum attracted national attention from National Public Radio and NBC.

Krishtalka said even though the battle over evolution was going on in several states, "Kansas will be tarred and feathered by the media as the hayseed state."

Carol and Tom Banks, of Prairie Village, attended the forum, saying they were getting tired of conservatives [AARRGGHH!!] controlling the political agenda.

"If intelligent design were taught, that would be teaching religion in public schools," Carol Banks said.

But Jerry Manweiler, a physicist from Lawrence, said he supported teaching intelligent design. "It's important to know the theory of evolution, but it's also important to understand the nature of God," he said. Manweiler said he was put off by the forum speakers' "lack of humility."

Don Covington, vice president of networking for Intelligent Design Network Inc., said he disagreed with the speakers.

"They want their kids to know how to think, but you can't develop critical thinking skills when you tell them to memorize Darwin," he said.


Public science standards meetings:

• May 5-7: Science standards hearings in auditorium of Memorial building, 120 S.W. 10th St., Topeka. Time to be determined later.

• May 12-14: Science standards hearings, time and location to be determined later.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: crevolist; education; kansas; scienceeducation
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To: Ronzo; js1138; PatrickHenry; Alamo-Girl
She proposes that bees have a "sixth sense" that gives them direct access to the quantum world of subatomic particles.

Amazing, Ronzo! I have speculated that much that we call "instinct" in animals -- bird migration patterns would be an excellent example -- derives from access to the quantum world as well.

Thank you so much for this fascinating post!

281 posted on 04/28/2005 12:52:37 PM PDT by betty boop (If everyone is thinking alike, then no one is thinking. -- Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: PatrickHenry; js1138; Alamo-Girl; Ronzo
I assume the "field" that carries the "message" is nothing more esoteric than the air.

But what if I were to say that the air itself is a field-mediated phenomenon?

282 posted on 04/28/2005 12:54:29 PM PDT by betty boop (If everyone is thinking alike, then no one is thinking. -- Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: betty boop
But what if I were to say that the air itself is a field-mediated phenomenon?

I would regard it as yet another example of your charm.

283 posted on 04/28/2005 1:00:34 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: Ronzo
She proposes that bees have a "sixth sense" that gives them direct access to the quantum world of subatomic particles.

"There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.

And there is another theory which states that this has already happened."
Douglas Adams

284 posted on 04/28/2005 1:08:50 PM PDT by dread78645 (Sarcasm tags are for wusses.)
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To: dread78645
"There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.

The universe is just God's way of keeping scientists fully employed.

285 posted on 04/28/2005 1:19:19 PM PDT by Ronzo
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To: betty boop
Thank you so much for this fascinating post!

Your welcome betty. Prof. Shipman's idea might also help to explain collective consciousness.

Math and physics to the rescue yet again...

286 posted on 04/28/2005 1:22:27 PM PDT by Ronzo
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To: PatrickHenry

This is too weird. I'm outta here.


287 posted on 04/28/2005 1:38:19 PM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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To: js1138
I'm outta here.

May the force be with you.

288 posted on 04/28/2005 1:42:55 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: PatrickHenry
"Move along. These aren't the droids druids you're looking for." placemark
289 posted on 04/28/2005 3:10:41 PM PDT by dread78645 (Sarcasm tags are for wusses.)
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To: betty boop; Ronzo; Doctor Stochastic; PatrickHenry; js1138
Thank y’all for this fascinating discussion! Great posts, betty boop and Ronzo!

Doctor Stochastic: Actually all that is needed is a trail of smelly chemicals.

PatrickHenry: I think it's been demonstrated that insects release "semiochemicals" into the air for rapid communication.

You guys are way oversimplifying Collective Intelligence. Collective Intelligence solves problems and has memory beyond the capability of the individual. The sum is greater than the parts:

Army Ants: A Collective Intelligence?

Put a hundred army ants on a flat surface and they will walk around in never decreasing circles until they die from exhaustion. But a colony of a million army ants is a sophisticated "super-organism." The colony carries out its legendary raids and can even keep nest temperatures constant to within a degree. An army ant colony seems endowed with an intelligence far beyond that of any individual ant. N.R.Franks speculates thus:

"It seems that intelligence, natural or artificial, is an emergent property of collective communication. Human consciousness itself may be an epiphenomenon of extraordinary processing power. Although experts prefer to avoid simplistic definitions of intelligence, it seems clear that all intelligence involves the rational manipulation of symbolic information. This is exactly what happens when army ants pass information from individual to individual through the 'writing' and 'reading' of symbols, often in the form of chemical messengers or trail pheromones, which act as stimuli for changing behavior patterns."

In the body of his article, Franks describes two remarkable capabilities of an army ant colony: time-keeping and navigation. The outward manisfestation of time-keeping is in the precise timing of the colony's nomadic phase of 15 days (during which larvae are growing) and the 20-day stationary phase (during which pupae develop). The queen's egg-laying also conforms with this schedule. Raids into the rain forest occur in both phases.

Perhaps more remarkable is the systematic orientation of the raids in the stationary phase. These raids are separated by an average 123°, as diagrammed. This scattering allows time for new prey to enter the previously raided areas. But how does the colony determine direction in the dense rain forest? Probably from polarized sunlight, thinks Franks. But here we have a problem: each army ant, instead of having multi faceted compound eyes like most insects, has just a single facet in each eye.

"The mystery is how the colony can navigate with each of its workers having such rudimentary eyesight. In my wildest dreams, I imagine that the whole swarm behaves like a huge compound eye, with each of the ants in the swarm front contributing two lenses to a 10- or 20-m wide 'eye' with hundreds of thousands of facets."

(Franks, Nigel R.; "Army Ants: A Collective Intelligence," American Scientist, 77:139, 1989.)

Comment. By analogy, the human body is a colony of individual cells, most of which are specialized in some way. Individual human cells can be grown alone, but they are as directionless as the 100 ants on the flat surface.

An attempt to model the behavior: Infinite World: Modeling Army Ants

Mathematicians are focusing on the question of Collective Intelligence, a relatively new and exciting area of research:

Collective Intelligence Laboratory

A formal definition of the phenomenon of Collective Intelligence and its IQ measure

Not surprisingly the direction of research is self-organizing complexity. Certainly that is part of the investigation, but there is more involved (the same things I keep mentioning on these evolution threads).

The difference here is autonomy - in this case, it is a collective rather than an individual or organism.

However, at all levels (individual, organism and collective) I now must also raise intelligence as an additional subject for investigation - both memory and problem solving ability. The Collective Intelligence of such creatures as Army Ants might be very helpful!

So the new "to investigate" list for biological systems is as follows:

information (successful communication)
autonomy (individual, organism, collective, universal)
semiosis (language, encoding/decoding)
complexity (self-organizing, functional, physical, Kolmogorov)
intelligence (memory, problem-solving)


290 posted on 04/28/2005 10:22:14 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: PatrickHenry
PDF about Einstein's dissertation.
291 posted on 04/29/2005 9:05:24 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
PDF concerning numbers on the Web.
292 posted on 04/29/2005 9:11:40 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
PDF about Einstein's dissertation.

What could have possibly been the origin of the urban legend that he knew nothing about math?

293 posted on 04/29/2005 9:19:59 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Jealousy
Stupidity
Envy
Gluttony


294 posted on 04/29/2005 9:29:28 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

You forgot lust.


295 posted on 04/29/2005 10:03:07 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: Alamo-Girl; marron; Ronzo; js1138; PatrickHenry
However, at all levels (individual, organism and collective) I now must also raise intelligence as an additional subject for investigation - both memory and problem solving ability. The Collective Intelligence of such creatures as Army Ants might be very helpful!

Jeepers, Alamo-Girl -- a new (and improved) "to investigate list!!!":

information (successful communication)
autonomy (individual, organism, collective, universal)
semiosis (language, encoding/decoding)
complexity (self-organizing, functional, physical, Kolmogorov)
intelligence (memory, problem-solving)

Well, that'll certainly keep us busy for a while! :^)

In going to your links, I noticed that it is the Russians who seem to be leading the field in the new discipline of "Collective Intelligence." It won't be long before someone cracks a joke about that....

Thanks so much for your excellent post!

296 posted on 04/29/2005 12:25:10 PM PDT by betty boop (If everyone is thinking alike, then no one is thinking. -- Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: PatrickHenry
Einstein's last wish, communicated to me via extra-dimensional quantum fluctuations, was that some folks should shave more often with Occam's Razor.
297 posted on 04/29/2005 1:05:05 PM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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To: js1138

I thought you had abandoned this thread. Welcome back.


298 posted on 04/29/2005 1:12:34 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: PatrickHenry

I'm lurking. I just don't feel like discussing extra-dimensional quantum doohickies.

Except for the mice.


299 posted on 04/29/2005 1:15:19 PM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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To: js1138
Except for the mice.

Keep your towel dry.

(I actually posted this to deny PH another "Prme Number placemaker" that was devisble by 100)

300 posted on 04/29/2005 1:32:47 PM PDT by longshadow
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