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To: ohioWfan
The modern creationist belief (as opposed to a believer that believes God created evolution), when married to conservative politics, is the Achilles heel of both conservative politics and religion itself.

Conservatism has been on the steady rise for a decade or two now. It has done so because it has found truths that the left either ignored, or denied.

Affirmative Action doesn't work, and is in fact discriminatory itself.

The Welfare State does not help people over the long run.

Appeasement of tyrants is counterproductive.

"Conservative Values" is a demonstrably superior philosophy to maintain a viable civilization.

The Earth will manage itself just fine without "help" from the environmentalist movement.

The UN is the biggest criminal organization the world has ever seen.

All of these truths can be "proven". Some of these can be argued over, but basically the weight of evidence is on the conservative side, and we are winning politically as a result.

But when conservatives bring in "creation science", it is an Achilles heel, because belief in it can easily be shattered by the overwhelming weight of evidence. Once conservatives are demonstrably "wrong" about something, they can never again regain the image of always having truth on their side that they now have.

I predict that sometime in 2008, when the election cycle is hot and we have decided on a candidate, the Discovery Channel, and a host of others will have entire series designed specifically to destroy the believability of ID, and secondarily of faith itself, and will tie both to Republican and conservative politics. It will be a full court press by the media, and they will have the evidence to easily prove their case, except among those who refuse to see.

Conservatives will be seriously damaged as a result. So will the faith of many people, which is a tragedy, because I think we need more faith in God, not less.

The only way to immunize against either tragedy is for Christians and other believers to recognize that God could, and I believe did, create evolution first.

By definition, there can be no conflict between God's word, and God's creation. And when the question is "how does God's creation operate", the proper place to look is in that creation, by the means of science, and not to lock yourself into a particular interpretation of God's word that disagrees with what we see in His creation.

God's creation cannot disagree with His word. Only humans can disagree with how they interpret one or the other. And since there's only a few hundred words in God's word about the creation, while we have the whole of the creation itself at our fingertips to study, I believe science on this matter, and not a particular interpretation of Genesis by some, but not all, Christians.

101 posted on 04/21/2005 9:53:20 AM PDT by narby
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To: narby
. . . because belief in it can easily be shattered by the overwhelming weight of evidence.

The only overwhelming evidence for evolution is in the arrogant heads of those who choose to view the universe in their own way. Your screed fearing lack of progress in the conservative agenda due to a handful of folks who believe the world was created by God in six solar days is an indication that you are no conservative, but a moderate, like George Voinovich, who places political expediency above conscience and personal convicitions - worrying about what other people think than what is right.

Not a nice delusion, but you'll probably embrace it anyway.

112 posted on 04/21/2005 10:29:15 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: narby
Wow. That's a new one. Now those of us who don't believe Darwin's myth and leftist science profs are going to lose the 2008 election for Republicans.

I've got to give you points for creativity.

The only problem is that true evolutionists don't believe in God, because the purpose of the theory was to come up with some way to explain the earth without God. So where in the world did your creativity come from if you evolved and weren't created?

You may choose to believe the Godless left if you want, but I don't believe what's being foisted on us as science by the left any more than I believe the revisionist history foisted on us by leftist political science profs.

It doesn't mesh with Scripture, because it denies the God-breathed uniqueness of humanity. We have the whole of creation to study indeed, but we have the whole of Scripture as well, and evolution doesn't fit the whole either. If man was not uniquely created, and did not sin against the Creator, there is no need for redemption, and there would be no need for a Savior. If you choose to throw out Genesis, you throw out the words of Jesus, and the Apostle Paul, as well as the entire book of Hebrews.

It doesn't work, narby, if you follow your thoughts to their logical conclusion. It just doesn't work.

143 posted on 04/21/2005 1:34:33 PM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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