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Inside the Mind of a Creationist (Hope is Alive in California!)
Metro: Silicon Valley Weekly Newspaper ^ | April 21, 2005 | Najeeb Hasan

Posted on 04/21/2005 4:34:42 AM PDT by gobucks

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To: Labyrinthos
. . . please provide at least one objective piece of evidence to support your view . . .

How about whale bones in the desert as evidence for a world wide deluge?

41 posted on 04/21/2005 6:43:36 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: bigcat32
My answer to that challenge is to read a book called "Darwin's Black Box". I think the author's name is Michael Behe. If you're serious about getting an answer to your question you will read this book.

The vast majority of Darwin's Black Box is dedicated to shooting down the theory of evolution rather than providing positive, objective evidence of intelligent design a/k/a creationism. The author takes the view that intelligent design must be the force behind life as we know it because Darwinism is less than perfect. I could justy as easily say that every spieces of life was placed on earth by extra terrestrials and since you can't disprove my theory, it must be true. That is not science, my friend.

42 posted on 04/21/2005 6:44:40 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: jwalsh07
Bioengineering. In other words, if man can do it surely it is possible that somebody or something else could do it. ID is a fact, we can do it, we can observe it, we can repeat it. Adaptation and mutation are facts. We can observe them as well.

While your "proof" by itself doesn't really prove anything, your response is at least well-reasoned and intelligent. The next question is who created the "somebody or something else?"

43 posted on 04/21/2005 6:48:30 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: narby
Note the various denominations, and the fact that even creationists fall into different camps of old-earth and young-earth, and various forms in between.

Oh, I see. Andf from this we should understand that all evolutionists are in perfect agreement, and therefore the philosophy of evolution is the only world view worthy of acceptance in public education.

44 posted on 04/21/2005 6:49:22 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: weegee
How did man get to South America? Boats from the Southern Hemisphere? Walking down from "Canada"?

Yes and yes.

45 posted on 04/21/2005 6:53:02 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: weegee
Piltdown man has since been stricken from the record but once "he" was a crucial link.

Actually, Piltdown man was exposed as a hoax because it didn't fit anywhere.

No one ever admitted commiting the fraud. If you don't believe evolution, how do you know it is a fraud? What line of reasoning would you use to prove Piltdown is a fraud?

Better to admit to students that we DON'T know everything.

Good idea. And good teachers do this. Working science is all about what we don't know. Why would anyone want to be a scientist if everything is known?

I think a course in comparative religion should be allowed in high school. It would not be a science course.

If the left truly believes in Darwinism, why is there an Endangered Species Act to protect those lifefroms who's time has come?

I suppose for the same reason we have parks, zoos, street cleaners and such.

Why is there a social safety net for those who are unable to "fit into" society?

Because compassion is a human trait and not the result of a belief system.

46 posted on 04/21/2005 6:53:16 AM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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To: gobucks
The earth, according to Hofland, is about 6,000 years old. God created it in six 24-hour days. And, of course, evolution is just a theory.

Most people around here will shake their heads and wonder how anyone could think that in this day and age. But for Hofland, it's a basic foundation of his belief system.

This guy is an idiot. Yes, idiot.

Yeah, and if my "Bible" says 2+2=3 that don't make it so.

47 posted on 04/21/2005 6:55:00 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: js1138
Would you put yourself in the camp that wants to preserve living samples of bacteria and viruses so that we do not "extinguish a lifeform"?
48 posted on 04/21/2005 6:56:34 AM PDT by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: weegee

"Did mankind begin in Asia? Africa? How did man get to South America? Boats from the Southern Hemisphere? Walking down from "Canada"?"

At what time? Both are true, but at different times. These days, I go to South America by air. It's much faster.


49 posted on 04/21/2005 6:57:11 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Drew68

"Yeah, and if my "Bible" says 2+2=3 that don't make it so."




Well, it doesn't say that, but it does say that pi is 3. Not a very precise approximation of that irrational number. The Bible isn't a science text, it seems.


50 posted on 04/21/2005 6:59:04 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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Scientists are unwilling to say when A life "begins" (to protect the legality of abortion). Odd that they would be so positive about when/how ALL life began.


51 posted on 04/21/2005 7:01:48 AM PDT by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: Labyrinthos
While your "proof" by itself doesn't really prove anything, your response is at least well-reasoned and intelligent.

Proof is a mathematical term not usually associated with science so I assume we're talking metaphysics now?

The next question is who created the "somebody or something else?"

Nah, the real question is how did grapefruits spread throughout non time and non space all expand at the same time into our universe and where did they get all that det cord.

52 posted on 04/21/2005 7:02:13 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: MineralMan

Are Asians and Africans different animals with different ancestors then? Or did evolution run a parallel path on different continents?


53 posted on 04/21/2005 7:03:21 AM PDT by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: Labyrinthos

You are incorrect on surmising his premise Mr. Labyrinthos. Please reread the book with an open mind. Hint: Life at the micro level is irreducable.

Have a good day.


54 posted on 04/21/2005 7:03:53 AM PDT by bigcat32
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To: weegee

"Are Asians and Africans different animals with different ancestors then? Or did evolution run a parallel path on different continents?"

Not really. As you may note, Africa and Asia are connected via land. I don't see the problem with migration between the two.

It seems unlikely to me that homo sapiens evolved simultaneously in two places, so a single place is much more likely, IMO.


55 posted on 04/21/2005 7:05:39 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Labyrinthos
Please note that I have issued this challenge on several threads, but have only received a single reply from a person who could not follow directions.

Perhaps when you stop hiding behind could not follow directions as a straw man to weasel out of admitting when valid evidence is presented to you, people will take you seriously. Until then, you're just an idealogue.

56 posted on 04/21/2005 7:06:04 AM PDT by frgoff
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To: MineralMan

So your "Both are true, but at different times." referred to South American population, not the question of where life began Africa or Asia?


57 posted on 04/21/2005 7:07:11 AM PDT by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: Labyrinthos; jwalsh07
While your "proof" by itself doesn't really prove anything . . .

How is it that the bar was suddendly raised from "a single piece of objective evidence" to "proof?"

58 posted on 04/21/2005 7:11:20 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: DesertSapper

I grew up reading scriptures, too. But, do you *honestly* in your heart of hearts believe that the Earth was created 6,000 years ago over a preiod of 7 days?

I mean no disrespect, I just want to know if you yourself honestly and truly belive that to be the case.

Bones


59 posted on 04/21/2005 7:13:08 AM PDT by Bones75
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To: MineralMan
Well, it doesn't say that, but it does say that pi is 3.

Pi can be a rational number but that's neither here nor there. The Bible never claims Pi=3. It simply gives some measures of a big ole vessel.

60 posted on 04/21/2005 7:21:36 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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