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Inside the Mind of a Creationist (Hope is Alive in California!)
Metro: Silicon Valley Weekly Newspaper ^ | April 21, 2005 | Najeeb Hasan

Posted on 04/21/2005 4:34:42 AM PDT by gobucks

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To: Liberal Classic
I have to wonder at the motivations behind playing the race card in the first place. The only possible reason for calling Charles Darwin an evil racist is to characterize Darwinism and evolution as racist doctrines, thereby painting evolutionists as racists themselves.

The motivations are clear, The Creationoids have no evidence for their position so in their warped mind they think if they could somehow discredit Darwin (By calling him an Atheist, Racist, whatever) as a human being that somehow makes evolution false and creationism correct.

It's really no different then the Liberal personal assassination tactic they use on people like Tom Delay

281 posted on 04/22/2005 2:48:40 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: ohioWfan
I just believe in letting the truth be out there for all to see. Denying Darwin's racism does no one good.

Simple questions

* Origin of Species was published in 1857, Was there more slavery before or after it was Published?

* The past, present and future members of the KKK, are they Creationist or do they believe in evolution?

* The people who fought in the civil war to keep the institution of slavery, were they Creationist or did they believe in evolution?

* Did the people who fought to keep segregation in 1950's & 60's were they Creationist or did they believe in evolution?

282 posted on 04/22/2005 2:57:41 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: dread78645
Actually the possibility was rather high as you took 4 of 52 possible repeatedly. If you took a hour or so you could send me a really long list. That would be fun.

As interesting as your list of cards is, it just supports my point: try dealing 100 billion cards out of 100 trillion possible. You assuming you could flip cards constantly w/out a break, you might do 100/min - 6000/hr - 144000/day. It would take you 694,444 days to do the first set. Now that was 1 try for a desired combination (mutation): did you get one? Great! Only a few billion more trys to get a positive mutation.

Now to top off our "fun with playing cards": let's do the whole process with proteins and proceed for a few million eras to get to the first single-celled organism. Oh crap! Where did we get the proteins?

283 posted on 04/22/2005 3:17:02 PM PDT by DesertSapper (God, Family, Country!)
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To: DesertSapper
Actually the possibility was rather high as you took 4 of 52 possible repeatedly.

No it was 52 of 52 : 52 x 51 x 50 ... 2 x 1 = 52! or 8.066 x 1067.

... try dealing 100 billion cards out of 100 trillion possible ... desired combination ...

It wouldn't matter. If there is no goal, then one outcome is as good as another.

284 posted on 04/22/2005 3:31:37 PM PDT by dread78645 (Sarcasm tags are for wusses.)
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To: qam1
Nice try, but all irrelevant and immaterial.

People are sinful (the Bible tells us that). I could give you a list of racist evolutionists too if I wanted to play that game, but I don't.........at least not now.

I've done a lot of research on the subject, and you won't win the argument with me, because I have too many facts at my disposal. In fact, I'm writing an essay on the subject, complete with names and facts to back it up........not some 1960's TV stereotyping of whose racist and who's not, like you've just given.

Nice try, though. Really. 'A' for effort.

285 posted on 04/22/2005 8:07:42 PM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: qam1
The motivations are clear only to the ignorant and muddle headed.

I use only facts. You make up silly accusations to make yourselves feel better in your denial of those facts.

286 posted on 04/22/2005 8:09:36 PM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: PatrickHenry; longshadow
but flunked out of college after a year and a half.

Why am I not surprised.

287 posted on 04/22/2005 10:58:22 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: ohioWfan
Nice try, but all irrelevant and immaterial.

uuummm, You are the one trying to disprove evolution by trying to make Darwin out to be a racist

People are sinful (the Bible tells us that). I could give you a list of racist evolutionists too if I wanted to play that game, but I don't.........at least not now.

I've done a lot of research on the subject, and you won't win the argument with me, because I have too many facts at my disposal.

LOL! Yeah sure, That's why your spending your time throwing out accusations attacking the character of Darwin instead doing actual scientific research to prove your position.  

In fact, I'm writing an essay on the subject, complete with names and facts to back it up...

<YAWN>

I hate to be the one to break it to you, But you can write all the essays you want about Darwin's personality, you can even write one proving Darwin was a child molesting axe murderer. And guess what, it won't make any difference on whether the Theory of Evolution is true or not.

The Theory of Evolution's validity is based on facts & evidence, not on the good/bad personal characteristics of Darwin or any other single person.

Sorry

.....not some 1960's TV stereotyping of whose racist and who's not, like you've just given.

So there is no such thing as the KKK and Christians embraced anti-segregation laws and the Emancipation Procramation?

Nice try, though. Really. 'A' for effort.

I already give your essay an 'F'. Because I already know what it's going to be about. You going to pick and choose some idiots from the late 19th to early 20th century and blame their actions on Darwin while ignoring your fellow Christians who proposed/did the same thing (including the obligatory Goodwin's law Hilter reference, even though he and his fellow Nazis were mostly Christian) and of course you will leave out that the TOE today is as widespread and accepted as ever and racism today is probably at it's lowest level its been in all of human history.

288 posted on 04/23/2005 6:42:20 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: qam1
Ummmmmm........no I'm not trying to disprove evolution by saying Darwin was a racist. I'm just stating the fact that he was a racist.

And I'm not researching evolution. It's much broader subject than that. I'm finding all kinds of HISTORICAL FACTS in my research (you should try it sometime, instead of looking up little factoids to defend your man). It's not about his personality; it's about his philosophy, and those who followed his leading.

But thanks for the negative review of an essay you've never seen. It proves that you are as open minded as an evolutionary zealot can be......i.e. not at all. You're one of those 'don't confuse me with the facts' kinda guys. Just like a scientist ought to be, right??.........ROFLOL!

I've got to give you this, though.......your implication that Darwin was part of the reason slavery ended is too funny for words. Let's forget about the Christian abolitionists, and that Christian fellow with the name of Abraham Lincoln.

I said clearly that we are all sinners, and that racism existed on both sides of the fence.......but you, as all your buddies here, ignore the bulk of my post to pick and choose your little pet, imaginary theories about what I'm saying....

But that's OK......your distorted defense of Darwin has been amusing........it just sorta makes me think that you might have evolved on another planet.....

289 posted on 04/23/2005 7:08:00 AM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: qam1
One last thought before I depart this thread for good (bringing the third string ruffians off the bench has made this thread tiresome).......

When I refer to evolutionary zealots, I'm not referring to the many reasonable folks who don't disagree with what their science teachers and profs taught them, and believe in evolution. I'm talking about guys like you quam, who are so nasty and emotional about it that you embarrass even them, and make them stay as far away from these threads as they can.

Have a nice life..........even if you don't know where that life came from.

290 posted on 04/23/2005 7:32:12 AM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: RadioAstronomer
*****but flunked out of college after a year and a half.*****

Why am I not surprised.

Careful; you're making fun of the intellectual creme de la creme of the anti-Evolution movement. Ordinary anti-evos never make it to the Sactum Sanctorum, only college flunk-outs and people with bogus degrees are admitted into those hallowed chambers.

291 posted on 04/23/2005 9:53:08 AM PDT by longshadow
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To: ohioWfan
I'm not interested in your pontification about your faith in science, or your complete misconception of religious history foisted upon you by the secular world.

You have no idea where I learned what.

My conceptions of "religious history" I got from Bible history classes at Oklahoma Baptist University and years of Sunday school in the Southern Baptist Church.

Where the miscommunication here is that I got that education, and I came to my conclusions of evolution over 40 years ago. That was before the creationist movement gained ground within the religious community. And later the ID movement, after creationism was shot down in flames.

I've not seen any significant change over my lifetime in what science understands. Some additional detail, but no fundimental change.

It is religious believers that have changed their minds about evolution, and returned to the controversies that they lost in the 1930's. It is religion (not God, but organized religion) that has been inconsistent over time. And inconsistent between denominations even today.

Because you see, if you don't believe in the divinity of Christ, you are not a Christian at all, and that is an important issue for others to see.

Well, I see you can stick with the subject of evolution and Genesis. What's Christ got to do with it? Yes, Christ talked about the creation. But neither He, nor Genesis itself has more than a few hundred words on the subject, that can be interpreted in many different ways. All that Genesis or Christ really says on the matter is that "God did it", with no significant details about HOW God did it. Why is this so difficult for you people to understand?

We disagree on that interpretation. Deal with it.

292 posted on 04/23/2005 10:22:04 AM PDT by narby
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To: ohioWfan
What I object to is liberalism disguised as science, which you apparently have fallen for.

Just what in the world are you talking about? Evolution has been established science for over a hundred years. It has abolutely zero to do with politics, except that some people on the right are attempting to make it so.

I firmly believe the politization of evolution will blow up in the face of conservatives, and Christians. Trying to warn of that impending mistake is my passion for arguing this subject.

293 posted on 04/23/2005 10:25:23 AM PDT by narby
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To: Tribune7
He's not killing all the witnesses unless he commits suicide (I thought you had some kind of law enforcement background)

You knew what he meant. Why resort to silly responses like that, unless you have nothing else to offer in the discussion?

294 posted on 04/23/2005 10:29:23 AM PDT by narby
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To: narby
And why is it so difficult for you to answer the basic questions I asked?

Which parts of the Bible do you accept, and which do you reject (besides Genesis), and on what basis do you make that decision?

For the record, I have been a Christian for nearly 50 years, and have never rejected the truth of God's creation, and I am not alone in that.

You may take comfort in placing arbitrary blame on some movement if you wish (as all you zealots apparently do), but it's not accurate. Some of us have never rejected the truth of God's word.

Now if you don't wish to answer the questions I have repeated, I will assume that you also arbitrarily choose passages of Scripture to reject outside of Genesis because they don't fit your worldview, and the conversation is over.

And as for what Christ has to do with it...............the answer is, everything. Because He is the Creator.

295 posted on 04/23/2005 10:31:14 AM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: narby
Just what in the world are you talking about?

Do some research.

I know what you believe about conservatives who believe in creation. You think we should shut up.

Do you also believe that about those of us who are pro-life? We cause all kinds of trouble by speaking up about abortion? Should we shut up about that too?

How about the Ten Commandments? Does that embarrass you too, when we say that religious doctrine should be allowed in public places?

Exactly how embarrassing are we religious freaks to you, as a so-called conservative Christian?

296 posted on 04/23/2005 10:36:10 AM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: ohioWfan
But that's OK......your distorted defense of Darwin has been amusing........it just sorta makes me think that you might have evolved on another planet....

Darwin is your boogyman.

The funny thing is that the leftie that works in my office thinks that George Bush is the boogyman because he might make children pray in school.

Both sides play the game. But it is only a game.

If your grand essay is about "Darwin", but not about evolution, then you too are playing the boogyman game.

The sad thing is that it works. I'm sure you will be a great success.

Humans can be such stupid creatures.

297 posted on 04/23/2005 10:38:31 AM PDT by narby
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To: Labyrinthos

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298 posted on 04/23/2005 10:43:42 AM PDT by attiladhun2
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To: ohioWfan
And as for what Christ has to do with it...............the answer is, everything. Because He is the Creator.

Wonderful. I agree. But that's not the question. The question is HOW did He create it? And all the evidence in God's creation is that it was through evolution. The evidence in God's word does not have that kind of detail.

Why can't you people get this through your heads?

299 posted on 04/23/2005 10:44:26 AM PDT by narby
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To: narby
Don't jump to conclusions based on your bias and lack of information. You don't know what you're talking about.

Scientists are supposed to be objective, and you, decidedly are not, so before you say anything else, back off, and try not say anything to further incriminate yourself.

(And, FYI, it's spelled "bogeyman," and you're not the first person to make that silly accusation. If you want people to think you know what you're talking about, it's best to spell your words correctly).

300 posted on 04/23/2005 10:45:17 AM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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