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Inside the Mind of a Creationist (Hope is Alive in California!)
Metro: Silicon Valley Weekly Newspaper ^ | April 21, 2005 | Najeeb Hasan

Posted on 04/21/2005 4:34:42 AM PDT by gobucks

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To: Oztrich Boy

The bear-dog. Hmmm.

How many fossil remains are there, where are they, and did they retain a heartiness that would allow for varieties ranging from poodle-ish to pit bull-ish as it has been with the canine? IOW, how much of the information on your link has been substantiated by solid evidence and how much of it is conjecture?


221 posted on 04/21/2005 6:35:12 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: js1138
"Here are some creationst frauds, at least one of which will show up on every crevo thread, and which are never challenged by creationists.

10. The Da Vinci Code

Dan Brown, inventor of the Da Vinci Code, is a Creationist? You should stop believing everything you hear.

222 posted on 04/21/2005 6:35:40 PM PDT by cookcounty ("We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the Courts" ---Abe Lincoln, 1858.)
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To: BMCDA; ohioWfan
So what Tribune7 demands is that such a new branch should be a member of a different superset.

You're claim is that cats and dogs share a common ancestor. I'm just pointing out that is a statement of faith.

223 posted on 04/21/2005 6:41:57 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Fester Chugabrew
A better question: Do you think the philosphy of evolution can hold up under scrutiny from the standpoint of forensic crime and still retain the name "science?"

Oh, that is a good question.

224 posted on 04/21/2005 6:43:15 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Fester Chugabrew
< sigh> that's the porblem with Creationists - so fixated on born yesterday they have no understanding of deep time.

"poodle-ish to pit bull-ish" canine sub-species have separated from wolves in the last few milennia - evet Creationists agree on that. Wolves appeared 6 million years ago. Beardogs were 30 million years ago.

225 posted on 04/21/2005 6:49:45 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Creation Science: New but not improved)
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To: Oztrich Boy
So then, wolves and bear-dogs essentially retain their physical characteristics throughout their history. I would think the bear-dog would have a better chance at survival than grandma's poodle. Any suggestions as to how it happens that the bear-dog can't be found these days?

Where did the capacity for such genetic variation come from? Has any human been able to create any of these critters without using intelligence or design?

While we're at it, let's trace the tree back from bear-dog to its next predecessor, and then all the way back to the earliest possible ancestor, and do so with the aid empirical evidence as opposed to a static record subject to fanciful interpretations. Those trees from amoeba to man are so fascinating. Mother Goose would be proud.

226 posted on 04/21/2005 7:17:22 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: narby
Why do you pretend not to understand my point?

I understand your point better than you understand it. Geological phenomena, unlike macro-evolution, is testable.

Which is, if you're really that thick, that your rules of not believeing anything that is not repeatable, and testable preclude you from believing lots of things that a reasonable person should be able to conclude based on the evidence we do have.

You see you don't even understand your point. You can believe things for whatever reason. In fact, it is pefectly reasonable to believe things that are not testable although in that case you are expressing faith not science.

Was there a previous volcanic eruption at Yellowstone? It's not unreasonable to think so. There is volcanic activity such as geysers and earthquakes there and its geology matches areas where known eruptions have occured.

Now, why do you think evolution has occurred? Do you see "evolutionary activity" in creatures that are about to evolve? Has evolution been observed to provide physical benchmarks with which we can compare past events?

What you seem to want is something declared objectively true without being able to test it -- basically a religious dogma although even dogmas can be tested.

227 posted on 04/21/2005 7:19:23 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: narby
Do you see "evolutionary activity" in creatures that are about to evolve?

And obviously I'm referring to macro-evolutionary activity.

228 posted on 04/21/2005 7:24:26 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Oztrich Boy; Fester Chugabrew
Sigh...........that's the problem with evolutionists - so unable to come up with a theory that can be proven in real time, that they manufacture 'deep time' to disguise the fact that they don't know what they're talking about.

The more their theories are disproven, the 'deeper' the time has to be to hide the truth of the fraud.

229 posted on 04/21/2005 7:29:23 PM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: gobucks
FYI
230 posted on 04/21/2005 7:31:36 PM PDT by Heartlander
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To: Fester Chugabrew; Tribune7
I think I've got things figured out here.

WE were created, and these guys just evolved..........which explains why we're so much smarter than they are. ;)

231 posted on 04/21/2005 7:32:12 PM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: ohioWfan

"Deep time" is the evolutionists' answer to Goddidit. It is an arbitrary assumption anyone can make but is beyond the realm of empirical test.
I can understand interpreting evidence through the prism of naturalism. It is an easy matter to dismiss divine intervention through reason. What I cannot understand is why such an interpretation must be given sole reign where education is concerned and be allowed to retain a credibility related to science.


232 posted on 04/21/2005 7:55:07 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: ohioWfan

:-)


233 posted on 04/21/2005 7:57:18 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Tribune7; BMCDA
You're claim is that cats and dogs share a common ancestor. I'm just pointing out that is a statement of faith.

Let me take that one step further, and say that if BMCDA truly believes that, then he believes in miracles.

In fact the whole of macro evolution is believing one miracle after another. It is an amazing step of faith to believe in evolution.

234 posted on 04/21/2005 8:00:22 PM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: Tribune7

Think they'll know it was a joke, or am I going to get some angry replies from that? :o)


235 posted on 04/21/2005 8:01:16 PM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: ohioWfan
In fact the whole of macro evolution is believing one miracle after another.

If evolution is true, it's a miracle.

236 posted on 04/21/2005 8:04:31 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Precisely. As scientific 'facts' are disproven, time gets deeper to remove even further the possibility of testing.

And yet, evolutionists are obstinate that they speak on the basis of evidence, and creationists on the basis of faith.

I, too, agree that evolutionary theory should be taught in schools, but it needs to be taught honestly.......as a philosophy based on deductions and not science based on empirical evidence.

I personally believe that at some point in the future, the theory is going to get so ridiculous that it might happen.

237 posted on 04/21/2005 8:05:40 PM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: ohioWfan
Think they'll know it was a joke, or am I going to get some angry replies from that? :o)

I don't know. I got flamed on some posts when I wasn't expecting it.

238 posted on 04/21/2005 8:05:54 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Tribune7
How about the onset of language? What a miracle that was, that at some point in time, ape-like creatures, homonids, or humans began to talk.

Unfortunately, it requires a fully developed brain to talk, so which came first, and how did it occur?

However they try to explain it, it's a miracle. The irony of it, is that the evolutionary theory was developed to explain the origins of earth and man without God, or the miraculous, and the system they fabricated requires miracle after miracle in order to explain it.

I guess they failed, eh?

239 posted on 04/21/2005 8:14:05 PM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: ohioWfan; Tribune7

Speaking of miracles, have you heard about the Law of Gravity?


240 posted on 04/21/2005 8:14:24 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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