[cicero's_son]

Why, I am most concerned about these "allegations."

I hope we can take some more time to look into them.

[Brilliant]

Voinovich ain't a Dem. Much as I detest him, blaming him for this is just playing into the Dems hands. They block Bolton, and Voinovich gets the blame. They'll love it.

[fieldmarshaldj]

Sounds like he was being mean, and as Sen. Voinovich said, we can't have mean people dealing with others. Time for the Senator to resign immediately.

[MJY1288]

Speaking of the "Golden Rule" Ronald Maximus Reagan had a "Golden Rule" he called his 11th Commandment.... Thou Shalt not attack a fellow Republican"

We shouldn't attack Voinovich publicly, we should field a candidate in Ohio that will beat him when he is up for re-election

[Mo1]

Gov. Voinovich called it "bull"-something and ordered his pilot to break the rules and take off. He even dared the control tower to "shoot us down." That, too, would have cost. One hour of flying time for an F-15 Eagle fighter jet runs $3,399 to $4,037.

I remember that story

But I didn't realize it was Gov "Short Fuse" Voinovich

[Honestfreedom]

If Bush wanted to get even, just don't appoint a new UN ambassador and ignore it like it deserves to be ignored.

[Ann Archy]

Gov. Short Fuse Voinovich needs a good a*s whopping by W. What a STUPID girly man.

[montag813]

PRESIDENT BUSH-

PLEASE DO NOT GIVE UP ON JOHN BOLTON. INSIST ON HIS CONFIRMATION, AND RECESS APPOINT HIM YOURSELF IF THESE RINO SCUMBAGS CONTINUE TO BEND OVER FOR BARBARA BOXER!

[McGavin999]

I think we need to look into every member of that committee who is blocking this and see what we can come up with. As a matter of fact, just about every dem has had "incidents" where they have yelled at subordinates. Let's make these a little public.

[CyberAnt]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1387642/posts


Check out this link - evidently the lady from MOB was lying through her teeth - and her boss has come forward and told an entirely different story about her and about Bolton.

Now .. it's getting interesting.

[CharlesWayneCT]

I'm feeling in a contrarian mood tonight.

IF the charges leveled against Bolton were true (I mean all of the ones listed by the democrats in the hearing), would it be wrong to consider them before confirming the nominee?

We presume the charges are all false, since they are put forth by democrats. That is generally a good bet. And of course we "know" that this is a ploy to delay the nomination so they can dig up more dirt. And we know that they will try to make stuff up.

But if we can investigate the charges, and show them to be unmerited, and them confirm the nominee with the democrats voting against anyway, isn't that better than rushing him out of the committee and then finding, to our shock, that the charges WERE true and republicans look like we rushed a nominee without regard to the merits?

That would be disastrous to our fight for judicial nominees, because every time a republican said "there is nothing to the charges" the democrats would point out how we rushed them to vote on Bolton and see how that turned out.

If we investigate and clear Bolton of these (supposedly baseless) charges, I think Voinovich will vote for him, and his support will have more merit with the american people because they have been told how "principled" he was to give it a look, and if by George he looked at it and was satisfied that there was nothing there, well that pretty much shows the democrats are just playing politics. Then when the judicial nominees come up and the dems call them extremists the republicans can point to this as why they just don't trust the dems to be honest.

So far, as evidence comes forward it is looking good for Bolton. If there are rational explanations for why Biden's rant is largely false, it should not only get Bolton out of committee, it should make it hard for the democrats to filibuster.

I can guarantee you if the republicans had voted him out thursday, the MSM would have given the dems enough cover to filibuster on the floor, saying that the committee didn't do its job.

If we believe Bolton in this matter, we should be able to stand a couple of weeks proving that the next set of charges are baseless.

Now that I've said all that, I will admit that I wanted him voted out of committee, and I think Voinovich should have told Lugar ahead of time there was a chance for this so Lugar could have played a hand that looked more like the republicans grudgingly giving the recalcitrant democrats one more week to finish their work, instead of it looking like the republicans were happy to run roughshod over the dems until one "principled" republican put a stop to it (proving the democrats had a point asking for the delay)

I am a strong Bolton Supporter, although I will say that if every charge Biden leveled were found to be true I wouldn't write nasty letters if the senate didn't confirm him.

The MSM plays this as a blow to Bush, but if they were honest they would point out that, prior to the hearings, there was NOBODY anywhere who had any idea of this "anger problem" that the democrats are now using, or in fact of the other charges. After all, the democrats say they just learned it (I don't believe them). How could the president be held responsible for things he had no way of knowing?

[cookcounty]

Yep, time to recall a couple of examples of Voinovich's lack of "people skills" and stuff it down his craw. I'm pretty uncomfortable with him being a US Senator from Ohio.

And why is it that he's skipping work so much?

[redrock]

The Democrats have NOT blocked the nomination of Bolton. So blaming them doesn't work.

The truth is that the Republicans have just chickened out......(Run Away!!!!Run Away!!!! is their motto)

redrock

[FreedomSurge]

Voinovich's actions do not pass the smell test. I think he is dirty.

[Proud Conservative2]

"that he's too pro-American "

How in the hell can you be too American? They ought to be a little more American , if you asked me.

[tortoise]

Of course, the other half of the Golden Rule in game theory (aka IPD in the math) is the good ol' "Tit-for-Tat". What goes around comes around. It is the mathematically optimal response to defection of this type.

Voinovich puts a knife in the back of the Republicans unprovoked, the Republicans put a knife in his. The party has more staying power than any single individual, and payback in kind insures the health of the entire ecology.

[colonialhk]

Strength and leadership are in short supply. Ego in abundance. They need to act like a majority not a cowed minority party.

[BluH2o]

Vaguely remember this incident ... many Republicans got a chuckle out of it at the time ... after all the Nations worse excuse for a president in decades "Slick Willie" was probably getting his knob polished by some bimbo 22 year old intern while circling Columbus on Air Force One.

[Diana in Wisconsin]

Can't we just use this opportunity to tell the UN to f-off? Can't we just NOT fill that position, withdraw our funding and kick the UN out of the USA once and for all?

Nah...that would only happen in my perfect little world where the sky is always blue and butterflies and blue birds land on my shoulders. *Rolleyes*

One other thought: Are the Dems somehow orchestrating this to position themselve to install Slick Willie in that position? Come on...you KNOW he wants it, and the Klintoons are so good at swooping in and saving America time and time again! (Blech!)

[ZULU]

end that rascal Voinovich and his henchman Hegle an e-mail and tell them what you think of them.

They are perfect exemplars of why Senate Republican leadership is ineffective. They and Specter, Snowe, Chaffee, and McCain.