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1 posted on 04/20/2005 9:39:12 AM PDT by real saxophonist
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I'm not even a rabid pro-gun person--never owned one, don't want one, someone in my family was almost killed by a nut with one--but this article is Exhibit A in Strained Logic. Someone commits a crime with a gun, and Nugent approving of gun use is somehow connected, in some fuzzy way, somehow... Uh, ok.


2 posted on 04/20/2005 9:42:50 AM PDT by Darkwolf (Jean Shepherd audio: http://www.flicklives.com/Mass_Back/mass_back.htm)
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I don't want to hear it. This is what happens when people are prohibited from owning firearms:

Worst possible case, having one or two innocent people nicked by stray bullets here and there is a small price to pay for not having places like Auschwicz or Belsen Bergen in your country. The odds are about like those of getting hit by lightning.

3 posted on 04/20/2005 9:44:30 AM PDT by tahotdog
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violence-mongering simpletons like Ted Nugent

I see this is an unbiased article! I stopped reading right there. No reason to continue.

4 posted on 04/20/2005 9:46:14 AM PDT by RockinRight (Conservatism is common sense, liberalism is just senseless.)
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There should be a mega barf alert in the header :)


5 posted on 04/20/2005 9:46:30 AM PDT by beltfed308
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"The NRA's hands-off approach to gun regulation ensures that hundreds of millions of weapons remain in American society..."

Well, them or the 2nd Amendment.


6 posted on 04/20/2005 9:47:17 AM PDT by Gefreiter (When seconds count, the police are minutes away.)
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"Remember the Alamo! Shoot 'em!" Nugent shouted. "To show you how radical I am, I want carjackers dead. I want rapists dead. I want burglars dead. I want child molesters dead. I want the bad guys dead. No court case. No parole. No early release. I want 'em dead. Get a gun, and when they attack you, shoot 'em."

So what's wrong with this statement? I believe the same thing!

The Nuge for Senate! He moved to Texas recently and Hutchison is retiring IIRC...let's draft Ted!

7 posted on 04/20/2005 9:47:32 AM PDT by RockinRight (Conservatism is common sense, liberalism is just senseless.)
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"It would be interesting to hear violence-mongering simpletons like Ted Nugent explain to Anna Maria Moreno how guns keep you safe." -Jim Spencer

It would be interesting to hear crime-apologist Jim Spencer explain to an unarmed and vulnerable population how being unable to defend one's self is keeping them safe.
And if guns are so bad and crime-breeding, why do police have them then?
Or perhaps Mr. Spencer can explain to a rape victim that ballistically defending herself is more of a crime in his eyes than what the rapist did.

I guess in Mr. Spencer's world, everything is okay if you wish it away.


9 posted on 04/20/2005 9:48:18 AM PDT by Darksheare (You too can own your very own Bad Idea by Darksheare! Inquire within!)
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The combatants fired a total of seven shots. None hit their intended targets.

Gun control means hitting the target... that is the first thing you gotta know.

11 posted on 04/20/2005 9:48:50 AM PDT by ikka
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She arrived after one man pulled a gun and opened fire on another who supposedly tried to steal his motorcycle. The alleged thief pulled his own piece and shot back, police say.

And were either of the shooters former felons who could not legally carry a concealed weapon? Gee, that isn't mentioned here for some STRANGE reason.

12 posted on 04/20/2005 9:48:56 AM PDT by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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Gun culture .... yep, that derned gun culture. Stupid gun culture, Minutemen (not today's ones, but the 1776 ones) and all that. I wish the gun culture would be dismantled. /sarcasm


14 posted on 04/20/2005 9:49:45 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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This column ran on the anniversary of Columbine? Hey, let's get Michael Moor to "weigh" in while we're at it.


16 posted on 04/20/2005 9:50:55 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (I'm not nearklym drunk enough tom deal with it. - FReeper Wormwood, 4/18/05)
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I doubt that the "Nuge" supports the right for criminals like that motorcycle thief to posess undoubtedly illegal guns any more than anyone else does. I suspect the bike's owner probably didn't own his gun legally either, and if he did he should have spent more time practicing. It is sad that people like Moreno get caught in situations like this, and exemplify the rule that you should always be sure of your backstop when employing a firearm, but I didn't see anything in there about a cop standing by to prevent that low-life from stealing that motorcycle. If the owner hadn't had a gun, he would probably still have tried to physically prevent the theif from stealing, and would have gotten killed for his trouble. Result, one dead kid, and the bike is stolen anyway. In this case, I see that the owner's gun prevented that theft.


17 posted on 04/20/2005 9:52:03 AM PDT by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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Nugent, a burned-out rocker and gun nut

How does someone who doesn't drink and has never done drugs become a burn-out?

18 posted on 04/20/2005 9:53:12 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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What a load of ... Life isn't fair. Bad things happen to innocents. More bad things happen to unarmed innocents.


19 posted on 04/20/2005 9:53:13 AM PDT by Truth29
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Er... sure dumba$$, because if there were no guns there would be less people trying to steal motorcycles right?

Right?

*crickets*

Idiot, limp wristed, tofu sucking, editorialists like this should get the smack up-side the head they so desperately need.

22 posted on 04/20/2005 9:56:13 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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Here is a story on the shooting that led to the injury of the woman in this editorial. Both shooters fled the scene, which does not sound like someone defending themselves against attack. It sound more like criminals trying to kill each other.

Woman hit by stray bullet during car wash shootout

24 posted on 04/20/2005 9:57:48 AM PDT by Dan Cooper
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Are you sure Miss Mark Marford didn't write this?


25 posted on 04/20/2005 9:58:14 AM PDT by dennisw ("Sursum corda")
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The combatants fired a total of seven shots. None hit their intended targets.

The liberal solution is to disarm the people who DARE to try to protect their property or family or their own lives. The real solution is to sentence the guy who accidentally shot her to pay for her medical bills and lost wages and to make him perform about 2 hours of "community service" every week for the next 5 years at the firing line of a practice range until he can hit what he is aiming at.

26 posted on 04/20/2005 9:58:37 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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Are you sure Miss Mark Marford didn't write this?


27 posted on 04/20/2005 9:58:42 AM PDT by dennisw ("Sursum corda")
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This is such a gift! I personally don't remember asking Mr. Spencer to document his stupidity via his own pen, but I will take this windfall nonetheless.

To keep it simple, he must believe that removing guns from this story makes everything kumbaya. How about removing the CRIMINAL from the story Jim? Doesn't that make for a much better ending?

If the robbery victim had been beaten to death with a lead pipe, Mr. Spencer would not have wasted any of his time writing about it. Even if Ms. Moreno had been shot while being directly robbed herself, we would be none the wiser. I would even go so far as to say that he doesn't think the first victim even is a victim because he chose to defend himself. In Jim's world, it is irresponsible to disobey a criminal.


32 posted on 04/20/2005 10:04:20 AM PDT by Niteranger68 ("I am not a conservative because I am successful; I am successful because I am a conservative.")
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