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Liberal US catholics dismayed at choice of Pope
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Posted on 04/19/2005 5:13:20 PM PDT by Alex Marko

BOSTON (Reuters) - Liberal U.S. Catholics on Tuesday expressed dismay at the choice of a conservative new pope and doubted he will heal an institution racked by disillusionment and tarnished by a sex abuse scandal among the clergy.

The election of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger as Pope Benedict XVI rankled those who advocate married priests, a bigger role for women within the church and softening its policy on homosexuality, birth control, euthanasia and abortion.

Since taking over the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith as the Roman Catholic Church's chief ideologue, Ratzinger has denounced homosexuality and even branded other Christian churches as deficient.

"Gay and lesbian Catholics are going to be very hurt by this election because Cardinal Ratzinger was the lightning rod for so much of the anger they felt under the previous pope," said Francis DeBernardo, executive director of the New Ways Ministry, a national ministry for lesbian and gay Catholics.

Under the Pope John Paul II, American Catholics' attendance at weekly Mass declined as many were put off by what they saw as increasingly conservative Vatican doctrine.

The sense of alienation deepened with a well-publicized scandal over pedophile priests, which erupted in 2002 in the Archdiocese of Boston as court documents showed bishops shuttled pedophile priests from parish to parish.

Victims of sexual abuse by members of the clergy reacted skeptically to word that Ratzinger was the new pope.

"Ratzinger is a polarizing figure to many, who seems to prefer combativeness to compromise and compassion," Mary Grant of the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests said in a statement. "It's ... crucial that the new pope follow the words and views of John Paul II who said 'there is no place in the priesthood for anyone who would harm the young."'

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Catholics for a Free Choice, a progressive group based in Washington, laid out an action plan for the new pontiff to pursue in his first 100 days with the goal of healing fractures within the church.

It urged the new pope to appoint a commission to review church policy on condoms, to establish a pontifical academy on women's rights in the church, and to welcome back those marginalized over the last quarter-century -- including gays and lesbians.

But those familiar with Ratzinger said to expect more of the same, and they doubted he would tailor his views to adapt to the liberal forces evident in the U.S. church.

"This is the guy who's been in charge of stifling dissent in the church," said lawyer Carmen Durso, who represented dozens of plaintiffs in clergy abuse lawsuits against the Boston archdiocese.

"This says to me that the Vatican ... is not prepared to move into the 21st Century, which it desperately needs to do," said Durso, who was raised Catholic but no longer practices.

Christine Schenk, a nun from Cleveland, Ohio, who favors opening the priesthood to married men, said she was disappointed and puzzled by Ratzinger's selection, but she saw glimmers of hope.

Schenk explained that Ratzinger had never ruled out the idea of married priests, and that the church is facing a deepening shortage of priests -- so he may be forced to act.

In a 2004 document, Ratzinger denounced "radical feminism" as undermining the family and natural differences between men and women.

Asked if there was anything in his background that gave her hope that Ratzinger would build a stronger partnership with women in the church, Quinn said: "We always hope for miracles".


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To: Ann Archy

"I an wondring if there are any left in the USA."

There are a few here in Missouri. We find them in the St. Louis area when we travel but haven't seen one in the Kansas City area yet. My husband (not Catholic) thinks they are so cute when they are in their habits. Wishes there were more of them. I wish he was Catholic! It took my dad 35 years after marrying my mom to convert. We are at 10 years, hopefully it won't take him as long! :0)


221 posted on 04/19/2005 8:40:07 PM PDT by samiam1972 (Live simply so that others may simply live!)
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To: Coleus
It really has. I was just thinking about that. The media was so absolutely sure that the liberals were clearly the majority and would surely sweep or at least win, so when Dubya won, well it was a tantrum. Now, with a new Conservative Pope set to begin his Pontificate, they are in tantrum overdrive. It has been a great 6 mos. And both men need our prayers more than ever because I'm sure the attacks are going to ramp up and become more vitriolic than ever. Btw, I can't imagine what John Effin is thinking, first losing to Dubya, and now, a Pope who has not minced words about who should come forward for Communion.
222 posted on 04/19/2005 8:46:32 PM PDT by fortunecookie
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To: Coleus
And here's a link about our new Pope and Kerry. Things ought to be getting interesting.
223 posted on 04/19/2005 8:49:28 PM PDT by fortunecookie
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To: Alex Marko

>> Liberal U.S. Catholics on Tuesday expressed dismay at the choice of a conservative new pope <<

There are no liberal Catholics. There are some leftists who pretend to be Catholics, but they are not Catholics.


224 posted on 04/19/2005 8:50:54 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau (Congress is defined as the United States Senate and House of Representatives; now read 1st Amendment)
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To: AnalogReigns

Ping !


225 posted on 04/19/2005 8:54:02 PM PDT by Edgewood Pilot
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To: sinkspur
You've got quite the Church there, if there are no sinners in it.

Just repentant ones.

226 posted on 04/19/2005 8:59:18 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: fortunecookie


Hey, that's the ticket.
Good find.


227 posted on 04/19/2005 9:03:40 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: Alex Marko
"This says to me that the Vatican ... is not prepared to move into the 21st Century, which it desperately needs to do," said Durso, who was raised Catholic but no longer practices.

Then why should we care what you think? Would a rabbi pay attention to me, a Catholic, if I expressed what I thought Judaism should do? He would be polite, listen, and then likely give me a variant of "Thanks, but your opinion carries no weight in our community due to vast theological differences."

A "non-practicing" (read: "fallen away" or "apostate") CINO's words have no weight....they are just so much carbon dioxide being produced and distributed.

228 posted on 04/19/2005 9:05:13 PM PDT by Bombardier (Ready to suit up for one more mission.....)
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To: onyx

You know, it was posted before I could even search for it, lucky me. It's a great article. Kerry must be a little upset. Will he throw a tantrum like some of the lefties, rant on and on or throw more accusations? I suspect a little of both with a ramped up accusation machine, aimed at conservatives in Church life and secular life. Poor Mass state has suffered enough.


229 posted on 04/19/2005 9:09:39 PM PDT by fortunecookie
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To: sinkspur

Didn't see your source document, could you post a specific link besides the Zenit page?


230 posted on 04/19/2005 9:19:30 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Ignorance is a condition. Stupidity is a strategy.)
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To: syriacus

Catholics for a free death.


231 posted on 04/19/2005 9:20:57 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Ignorance is a condition. Stupidity is a strategy.)
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To: Argus

Amen


232 posted on 04/19/2005 9:22:17 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Ignorance is a condition. Stupidity is a strategy.)
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To: AliVeritas
Didn't see your source document, could you post a specific link besides the Zenit page?

The Zenit page IS the source document.

233 posted on 04/19/2005 9:24:42 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: Alex Marko

I am not a Catholic, but I am glad the Catholic church hierarchy has a backbone and really doesn't give a hoot what the liberal, anti reglion types care about the pick. I have my disagreements with the Catholic church, but it does bring a smile to my face to see the liberals whine like a bunch of swines today.

Too many other churches, like the Episcopal church have lost their missions because they bow to compromise from every little special interest group that is offended by absolutes.


234 posted on 04/19/2005 9:26:26 PM PDT by The South Texan (The Democrat Party and the leftist (ABCCBSNBCCNN NYLATIMES)media are a criminal enterprise!)
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To: michaelt

Yep, except for the percentage in this room.


235 posted on 04/19/2005 9:32:14 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Ignorance is a condition. Stupidity is a strategy.)
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To: Ann Archy

The holy nuns who teach my children were screaming with joy a the news! Then they ran the Vatican flag up the flag pole and the students went into the Chapel to pray for the new pope.

Vive Il Papa!!!!!!!!!!!


236 posted on 04/19/2005 9:41:37 PM PDT by msamizdat
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To: Northern Yankee

I'll pray for you two.


237 posted on 04/19/2005 9:46:35 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Ignorance is a condition. Stupidity is a strategy.)
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To: Miss Marple

I will pray for you. Freep me and let me know how it goes.
You need anything...freep.


238 posted on 04/19/2005 9:48:15 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Ignorance is a condition. Stupidity is a strategy.)
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239 posted on 04/19/2005 9:48:39 PM PDT by anonymoussierra ("Et iube me venire ad te, ut cum Sanctis tuis laudem te in saecula saeculorum. Amen."Totus Tuus!!!!)
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To: StopGlobalWhining; sinkspur
The main thing the Catholic Church needs to do in the wake of the pedophile priest scandal is to reject homosexual applicants to the seminaries.

Interestingly, this is something that Cardinal Ratzinger has been working on for over 10 years with the American Bishops. He, and the Church, recognizes that orientation does not mean activity, but he wanted the Bishops to make observe the seminarians carefully, and make sure that there was no sexual activity of any kind with either men OR women.

I was just talking with my brother-in-law, who is a priest, and he said that they used to give them very good spiritual direction about dealing with celibacy, back when he was in the seminary in the late 60's. In the 70's, apparently the Church ceded this responsibility to the 'experts', in the Psychology crowd. Unfortunately, they also happened to be moral relativists, therefore many priests had terrible spiritual formation in the area of sexuality, and it also opened to door to allowing practicing homosexuals, since the 'experts' didn't see any problems with that.

These same 'experts' were the ones who told Dioceses all over this country that the priests they had sent to the clinics were 'healed' of the problem and it was ok to send them back into ministry. The biggest mistake the Bishops made was not chucking these bastiges out on their butts when it was discovered that they were not healed and had returned to their abusing ways. But they had inculcated the whole 'compassion' idea from their 'experts', and were way too pastoral to these men, and not nearly enough with the victims.

240 posted on 04/19/2005 9:49:41 PM PDT by SuziQ
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