Posted on 04/19/2005 10:39:05 AM PDT by churchillbuff
In 2003, after Episocpalian gay bishop Robinson was elected, a group of concerned Episcopalians and Anglicans met in emergency session, in Texas, to strategize how to respond -- through formally breaking away or other strategies.
They received this letter from Rome:
October 9, 2003
From Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger
The Vatican, on behalf of Pope John Paul II
I hasten to assure you of my heartfelt prayers for all those taking part in this convocation. The significance of your meeting is sensed far beyond Plano, and even in this City from which Saint Augustine of Canterbury was sent to confirm and strengthen the preaching of Christ’s Gospel in England. Nor can I fail to recall that barely 120 years later, Saint Boniface brought that same Christian faith from England to my own forebears in Germany.
The lives of these saints show us how in the Church of Christ there is a unity in truth and a communion of grace which transcend the borders of any nation. With this in mind, I pray in particular that God’s will may be done by all those who seek that unity in the truth, the gift of Christ himself.
With fraternal regards, I remain
Sincerely yours in Christ,
+Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger
"Being There" works for me.
LIAR!
The problem with mixing tradition and faith is that over time (and it is the case here), people confuse the two to be one and the same. There is a place for tradition and there is a place for faith. For example, objection to female ordination is based on tradition, but it has nothing to do with the Christian faith. The first person to start a tradition is by definition a heretic. I have a problem with anything doctrinal that is outside the bounds of logical interpretation of the New Testament.
Thanks Capt.
God? Is that you?
Silly me. Of course not.
What can I say my Bible is missing the section on holyness of saints.
Welcome!
"You must not be a good catholic if you do not know that catholics worship saints as well.
LIAR!"
When a Christian comes to the point in their journey that they "disover" the saints, they've found a buried treasure in the field. Our family prayers includes an invocation to each of our Patron Saints: Vincent de Paul, James the Apostle, St. Therese of Avila, St. Helen, St. Rita, St. Clair, St. Kevin, St. Ava, St. Joseph, St. Albert the Great, St. Leo the Great, St. Agnes, and St. Simon Stock. We try to lead our four children at home through these every night with simply St. _____-, pray for us. The saints are such a treasure of witness and powerful intercessors.
Nothing like a really good litany!
At the risk of sticking my nose in where it wasn't invited, I've never quite understood there to be that substantive a difference betweeen the two views of the communion host. Both believe that Christ is truly present; that, it seems to me, is the miracle.
My current dash is too 'swoopy' and curvy. I have a Crucifix clip on the visor. I had the Sacred Heart dash emblem, too, but it doesn't work on current dash.
I am neither an Episcopalian or Catholic but am a conservative, evangelical-type of Protestant. Congratulations on finding a church that supports the Bible and Christian doctrine! Cannot believe the US Episcopal Church has so heartily embraced Robinson & his evil dogma. Talk about itching ears.
Won't it be great to have a church leader who believes as you do? (Just in case you're wondering...no sarcasm intended whatsoever.)
I have a rosary too. I never throw away rosaries that unravel themselves :-) My mom hung it up on the rearview mirror.
"What can I say my Bible is missing the section on holyness of saints."
Does your bible tell you anything about the year and date of Christ's death? No. But Tertullian did.
Not all our knowlege comes from the bible. Some pretty relevant stuff comes from other sources. Including the writings of the magesterium which established an institution that is both of a human and of a divine origin. The RCC established the bible. The bible is impotent in creating a Church.
As soon as I finish (or start!) cleaning and detailing my car, I'll have to get something nice on there. My Sacred Heart Auto Club medallion fell off last summer. :O(
Amen.
Agreed Statement on the Eucharist (June 9, 1983)
- We agree that in the Eucharist the Church assembled is carrying out the injunction of the Lord to do what he did in the Last Supper, in commemoration of him.
- We agree that just as bread and wine became Christ's body and blood at the Last Supper, so do bread and wine become the body and blood of Christ when the Eucharist is celebrated by our Churches.
- We agree that the power of the triune God effects the change of bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ in the Eucharist. Traditionally, this has been attributed either to the Word or to the Spirit.
- We agree that the exercise of this divine power most properly is attributed to the Holy Spirit as source of God's action and grace in the Church. This corresponds well with the Spirit's role as life-giver, as overshadower in the incarnation, as sanctifier who sanctifies the bread and wine, become the body and blood of Christ, so that it sanctifies us when we receive it.
- We further agree that the consecration of the elements is effected through Christ, the risen Lord, true God and true man, who operates through the Spirit in the life of the Church. This corresponds well with Christ's role in the Last Supper.
- We recognize that some Fathers of the Church, such as John Chrysostom, Severus of Antioch, and Ambrose of Milan, have taught that the Eucharist is effected by the words of Christ, "This is my body . . . ; This is my blood." For when the priest pronounces these words during the anaphora, he does not do so in his own name but as representative of Christ and the Church.
But since what Christ did, once and for all, is made present now through the work of the Holy Spirit, other Fathers have held that the Eucharist is effected when the Holy Spirit has been invoked upon the gifts of bread and wine.
- We agree that in the anaphora or canon the account of institution, the anamnesis, and the epicletic prayers are all integral parts of a functional unity, and that the function of each can be properly understood only in the context of their mutual relations.
I never do, either. I have a bunch in a variety of stages of broken and usable. Both my mother and my grandmother had a drawer full of tangled broken rosaries, in addition to usable ones, and prayer books. There are worse habits! ;-) I don't currently have one in the car though.
My wife and I have been active in our parish's RCIA program. I have a special place in my heart for converts. Welcome to the family.
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