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ajc.com ^ | 04/17/05 | BOB KEMPER

Posted on 04/19/2005 5:24:36 AM PDT by Gengis Khan

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1 posted on 04/19/2005 5:24:37 AM PDT by Gengis Khan
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To: Gengis Khan

The F/A-22 ain't a jobs program. It's 20 years of unchallengable US air superiority, and one of the most impressive feats of human engineering ever.


2 posted on 04/19/2005 5:35:43 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Now that I'm in the DC area I can see where all my tax dollars have been going)
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To: Gengis Khan

The USAF's transport fleet is disintegrating from overuse. Without more C-17s, the F-22 will be useless because the US will not have the capacity to airlift support personnel and parts to where the F-22s are based. It's that simple.


3 posted on 04/19/2005 5:42:37 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: thoughtomator
The F/A-22 ain't a jobs program. It's 20 years of unchallengable US air superiority, and one of the most impressive feats of human engineering ever.

Yes and so incredibly effective in fighting terrorists.

There is nothing like a stealthy, fast fighter aircraft to take on car bombers as they cross our borders.

If we took the Air force and returned it to the Army as the Army Air Corp we might get some air weapons worth having in this brave new world.

Nothing like spending billions on weapons to fight a Soviet Union that no longer exists.

4 posted on 04/19/2005 5:59:34 AM PDT by Common Tator
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To: Common Tator

Well, I see that you've left your brain at home this morning....


5 posted on 04/19/2005 6:01:33 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Common Tator

I am of course concerned about car bombs and terrorist. But I am more concerned about the war we will most likely have with China in 10 years. This aircraft is needed.


6 posted on 04/19/2005 6:02:22 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (Never underestimate the power of human stupidity--Robert Heinlein)
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To: Common Tator

The Chinese are still around and they're not building car bombs.


7 posted on 04/19/2005 6:05:08 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Now that I'm in the DC area I can see where all my tax dollars have been going)
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To: Common Tator
Nothing like spending billions on weapons to fight a Soviet Union that no longer exists.

My big fear for the F-22 is that unmanned, ground-controlled, suicide aircraft costing about $2 million each will be able to easily knock it from the sky in the not-too-distant future. And if we can build such craft, so can China.

8 posted on 04/19/2005 6:07:40 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Violence never settles anything." Genghis Khan, 1162-1227)
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To: pabianice
We write IOU's for everything else. What's the tally now, 38 trillion in debt? Whats a few more billluns?

What better thing to spend our future away on than self defense and military equipment? I still want to see America's anti nuclear net up and working, even on passenger jets as part of their pilot's normal training. Every time we mention the MDS program, Europe, China, and Russia go nuts, spaz, and drool down their chins. Now why is that? Given all the electronic pulse weapons the third world war will, most likely, have be be fought on horse back anyway, but I still feel better the more weapons, and defense weapons, we manufacture.
9 posted on 04/19/2005 6:09:59 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Common Tator
Nothing like spending billions on weapons to fight a Soviet Union that no longer exists.

As if no one is selling weapons to our enemies, or is building the Su-47/S-37 Berkut...


10 posted on 04/19/2005 6:19:06 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Psalm 73)
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To: thoughtomator
Yep, and the legacy of the USSR lives on. Think of the scores of countries around the world that use Soviet (and, now, Russian) aircraft, AAA, SAMS, etc. The name changes but the game remains the same. We will be dealing with the USSR post mortem for many, many years to come,
11 posted on 04/19/2005 6:36:01 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (I am sick of brownshirts in black robes)
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To: thoughtomator; Common Tator

And nations all over the world are buying new, improved Migs from Russia. Some nations who don't like us or our allies very much.

Damn, CT, think for a minute. Maybe you need a little more java?


12 posted on 04/19/2005 6:57:19 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: Alex Murphy

The PAK FA is a joint development between Russia and India to produce a fifth generation fighter to replace the ageing Migs. PAK FA is scheduled to enter into service in 2009. This would be the first such joint development venture between India and Russia.
The Sukhoi Bureau has been chosen for the development. Obviously with India jointly developing the PAK-FA fighter will help greatly to increase the development stages of the aircraft by committing massive funds to Sukhoi to boost the development phase.
The "Perspektivnyi Aviatsionnyi Kompleks Frontovoi Aviatsyi" fighter is meant to be a counter to the US F-35 JSF.


13 posted on 04/19/2005 7:00:36 AM PDT by Gengis Khan ("There is no glory in incomplete action." -- Gengis Khan)
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To: Frank_Discussion; Common Tator

In 'Tator's defense, I'm so often 100% wrong, he can be forgiven for taking the opposite point of view =)


14 posted on 04/19/2005 7:07:37 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Now that I'm in the DC area I can see where all my tax dollars have been going)
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To: Gengis Khan

$250 million per plane, that's a lot of money for one fighter.


15 posted on 04/19/2005 7:21:09 AM PDT by jpsb (I already know I am a terrible speller)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
"unmanned, ground-controlled, suicide aircraft "

These are often referred to as "missiles".

16 posted on 04/19/2005 7:31:18 AM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: thoughtomator

:)

I get a little testy because people seem to forget that the WOT is only the CURRENT war, not what the future might become. Our opposing nations don't see the WOT as we do, and think us more a threat, so I think it's best to be able to defend ourselves with the best weaponry possible.


17 posted on 04/19/2005 7:33:05 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: jpsb

The customer dropped the number of units after the money had been primarily spent. Kinda drives up the price. If more orders come in, and economy of scale will decrease the price.


18 posted on 04/19/2005 7:35:00 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: Mr. Jeeves; avg_freeper
that unmanned, ground-controlled, suicide aircraft

If the unmanned aircraft hits it's target, does it's ground crew then commit suicide?

19 posted on 04/19/2005 7:41:50 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Psalm 73)
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To: Pukin Dog

How about weighing in on this new flying machine.


20 posted on 04/19/2005 11:11:48 AM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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