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An early peek at Longhorn
ZDNet News ^ | April 14, 2005 | Ina Fried

Posted on 04/18/2005 6:01:49 AM PDT by infocats

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1 posted on 04/18/2005 6:01:50 AM PDT by infocats
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2 posted on 04/18/2005 6:06:08 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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"This is going to be a big deal," Jim Allchin,

Jim Allchin is the same liar who promised all kinds of wonderful things ... for NT 3.1 (first version of NT). Same BS, different day.

3 posted on 04/18/2005 6:10:06 AM PDT by ikka
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What's the catch?


4 posted on 04/18/2005 6:11:04 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Now that I'm in the DC area I can see where all my tax dollars have been going)
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So how many former fry cooks will it take to authorize your using this version?
5 posted on 04/18/2005 6:15:13 AM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered. ©)
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What's the catch?

If history is any judge, it will be larger, slower to boot up and shut down, and be more things to more people.

Other than than, it seems to be much adieu about nothing...but to be fair, will have to give it a real test drive to see for myself.

6 posted on 04/18/2005 6:18:52 AM PDT by infocats
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As will the hacker community, I'm sure.


7 posted on 04/18/2005 6:22:33 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Now that I'm in the DC area I can see where all my tax dollars have been going)
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Isn't this O/S supposed to be 64-bit, so our 64-bit processors can take advantage of the new coding?

That in itself will make me upgrade.


8 posted on 04/18/2005 6:25:00 AM PDT by Mortikhi
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-"This product has something for everybody."-

That is NOT a recommendation. Something-for-everybody usually means I'll be getting a pile of stuff I don't want, and the stuff I do want is merely adequate.


9 posted on 04/18/2005 6:37:28 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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If history is any judge, it will be larger, slower to boot up and shut down, and be more things to more people.

The icon for a Word document, for example, is a tiny iteration of the first page of the file. Folders, too, show glimpses of what's inside. Such images can be rather small, but they offer a visual cue that aids in the searching process, Allchin said.

You are probably right - think of the resources to show all the documents like that - people think it's cool, but then they turn around and carp about how slow their system is...

10 posted on 04/18/2005 6:43:57 AM PDT by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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With Longhorn, Microsoft is trying to change that so a computer runs with the least possible permission level. Only those programs that truly need administrator privileges would run at that level. Microsoft plans a similar change to Internet Explorer that would reduce the level of access given to external Web sites in an attempt to lessen the possibility of malicious attacks.

Never to late to start, I guess.

11 posted on 04/18/2005 6:48:44 AM PDT by timtoews5292004
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"For example, document icons are no longer a hint of the type of file, but rather a small picture of the file itself. The icon for a Word document, for example, is a tiny iteration of the first page of the file."

And people want more bloat from Microsoft to further slow things down? CPU's become faster and Microsoft is there to bog it all down to justify the sale of even faster chips. Give me lean and fast any day!


12 posted on 04/18/2005 7:02:38 AM PDT by Socratic (Ignorant and free? It's not to be. - T. Jefferson (paraphrase))
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You know Microsoft is taking Apple quite seriously when it starts a dual-pronged attack at the time Apple is releasing Tiger.

All the Longhorn hype is using the old vaporware tactic. This keeps people from buying a competitor's product based on the expectation of great things to come from the vaporware company, although the competitor has it, and has it now. It's an old, sad tactic.

Second, the Windows XP ads coming out, trying to drown-out hype around Tiger and keep people with XP just a little longer until they can finally release Longhorn and maybe catch up to Tiger (and by then Apple will be about to release their next big cat).


13 posted on 04/18/2005 7:02:42 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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When speaking about breaking new ground, this is the first thing that Allchin stresses...

But while the OS bears plenty of similarities to Tiger, Allchin stressed that Microsoft has broken new ground in Longhorn. For example, document icons are no longer a hint of the type of file, but rather a small picture of the file itself. The icon for a Word document, for example, is a tiny iteration of the first page of the file.

Uh, my computer, running Linux has been doing this for 2 years now. It's just eye-candy anyway, and not really very useful. As a matter of fact, this greatly slows down the rendering of a directory's contents when looking at it through a gui.

A bunch of other stuff jumped out at me as being fluff and/or eye-candy. Hardly worth spending money on an upgrade for. They've had 5 years to work on it, and this is all they have to show for it? HAHAHAHA

I think it's funny that microsoft feels the need to start trumpeting their vaporware as Apple begins rolling out a new version of OSX. I suspect the huge advertizing buys (as mentioned here. is designed to make sure the coverage of OSX.4 Tiger is minimal. It also makes sure the $$ backed editorial slant is communicated effectively to writers.

14 posted on 04/18/2005 7:05:17 AM PDT by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side...... We have cookies! (Made from the finest girlscouts!))
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For example, document icons are no longer a hint of the type of file, but rather a small picture of the file itself. The icon for a Word document, for example, is a tiny iteration of the first page of the file. Folders, too, show glimpses of what's inside. Such images can be rather small, but they offer a visual cue that aids in the searching process, Allchin said.

XP already iconizes your images and movies, and puts those on folder icons, but Word documents and Excel spreadsheets? The words will be the size of pixels, reducing the icon of the page to looking like it has a bunch of lines on it. Hey, that's what they look like now with no rendering overhead!

While the look of the OS hasn't been finalized, the translucent windows and other graphics tricks are expected to find their way into the finished software.

Wow, and only five years after Apple did it.

Longhorn will come in 32-bit and 64-bit versions

Why? OS X is 32/64 bit. Admittedly its 64-bitness isn't absolutely complete, but those parts that need to be 64-bit will be with Tiger.

With Longhorn, Microsoft is trying to change that so a computer runs with the least possible permission level.

This is too funny! You guys just figured this out? BWAHAHAHAHA!

The computer will just assume that the user doesn't want the movie muted and probably wants to watch it full-screen.

Whenever any Microsoft product takes it upon itself to do what it thinks I want to do, it's always wrong. That's why I have the Word real-time typing features turned off.

along with a reduction in the number of times customers have to reboot their machines and other features--

It's about friggin time! And I should pay for this "feature"? Last time I did a full install of a Windows box, I counted 12 reboots, and I didn't reboot every time I was told to. Just get a Mac now and begone with the multiple reboots.

The richest view, code-named Aero Glass

Hmmm. Aqua. Aero. Microsoft can't even come up with original names, always feeding off of Apple.

15 posted on 04/18/2005 7:17:41 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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After a year's test drive tell me what you think.

I think we're going to get fresh lipstick on the same ol pig, but I could be wrong


Bdad


16 posted on 04/18/2005 7:18:36 AM PDT by blastdad51 (Proud father of an Enduring Freedom vet, and friend of a soldier lost in Afghanistan)
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Early? Preview? LOL.


17 posted on 04/18/2005 7:50:51 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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How will be its backward compatibility?


18 posted on 04/18/2005 8:08:19 AM PDT by Tribune7
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I heard it was to be a 3 Dimensional GUI (limited to certain graphic cards) but still have hard to imagine it and how to move around it.


19 posted on 04/18/2005 8:16:51 AM PDT by Wiz
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They might catch up to 10.1, but I'm expecting them to finally move into OS9 territory. Translucent window panes are way old news to Mac users, and what the h*ll good is a thumbnail of a text document or spreadsheet?

Security is pretty solid on the Mac. Even if you're logged in as the administrator, you have to retype the administrator password for anything that modifies core services, making it very difficult to accidentally install a virus that can blow up your system. OSX also gives a notification the first time a program runs with an option to refuse permission (in case a virus sneaks through and tries to auto-run). I guess not allowing Internet Explorer to firebomb your core services without permission is an improvement, but it's still a butt-ugly operating system.

20 posted on 04/18/2005 8:23:32 AM PDT by Richard Kimball (It was a joke. You know, humor. Like the funny kind. Only different.)
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