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'Freak' wave rocks cruise (70-footer hits N.Y.-bound ship)
ny daily news ^ | 4/17/05 | JONATHAN LEMIRE

Posted on 04/17/2005 4:50:14 AM PDT by Rebelbase

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To: Rebelbase
Yep, I've been watching that 'little low' for days now. Very tight spin. People forget these late little northeasters are nothing less than a cat 1 hurricane. Serious surf. They're lucky the ship was as big as it was. Anything else would have sunk.
61 posted on 04/17/2005 6:05:14 AM PDT by poobear
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To: MinuteGal
As satisfied freeper cruisers will attest, the Caribbean is da place. Most of the year, the water is smooth as glass.....you hardly know you're on a ship. And you can smoke in your cabin, She!

Well, I did spend a vacation on Nassau one year.  And the waters were gorgeous.  I guess a cruise down around Florida and over to Cancun, St. Thomas and the islands would be ok.  But I don't think I would trust a cruise to Alaska now.

Smoke in the cabin?  Only?  Gee, they are all heart. LOL!

62 posted on 04/17/2005 6:05:43 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Rebelbase

Isn't it frustrating how a still photo cannot convey the true menace of a giant wave. Your description of "what happened next" was very illustrative.

I have been in some really bad weather in the Southern Ocean, and all I can remember is hour after hour of saying "wow, look at this one" as we were running before the seas. But the camera never did them justice because the boat was not ever level with the horizon, so the angle to the wave as caught by the camera was as you said - heading down into the trough or rising on the back of the wave.


63 posted on 04/17/2005 6:06:13 AM PDT by maica
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To: Strategerist

You are correct. Any good surfer or swimmer would know.


64 posted on 04/17/2005 6:09:20 AM PDT by poobear
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To: SheLion
You can smoke in your cabin, your balcony, the decks, the lounges & bars, the casino and other designated places on board.

Cruise ships are really tolerant of smokers. The only restrictions on smoking are in the dining areas, the theaters, library, etc......in other words, same as in land hotels and restaurants in most states.

Leni

65 posted on 04/17/2005 6:11:14 AM PDT by MinuteGal ("The Marines keep coming. We are shooting, but the Marines won't stop !" (Fallujah Terrorists)
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To: Normal4me

He he.

I caught that too.

Must have meant Canaveral?


66 posted on 04/17/2005 6:11:27 AM PDT by ryan71 (Speak softly and carry a BIG STICK)
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To: SheLion
The ocean is not misbehaving at all. These very large waves are a normal part of the process.

You might want to look up soliton as a start.

True enough there aren't very many of them, of course, but their existence has finally been acknowledged. Here's an article: "Rogue Waves The physics of pure hell at sea By Bruce Stutz DISCOVER Vol. 25 No. 07 | July 2004 | Astronomy & Physics. Here's the URL for that one: http://www.discover.com/issues/jul-04/features/rogue-waves/

After reading this article try imagining the size of the soliton created when the catch basin around the Antarctic Ice Cap began breaking up 14,000 years ago. Think about how it would scour the continental shelf of everything to the North!

67 posted on 04/17/2005 6:15:27 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Strategerist
Typically the strongest currents in the Gulfstream are near the apex or center of the 50-60 mile wide north bound current. They can be 2-2.5 knots. Currents in the vicinity of 4-5 knots have been measured but are rare. They don't sound very strong but just try and swim against one.
68 posted on 04/17/2005 6:18:56 AM PDT by rodguy911 (rodguy911:First Let's get rid of the UN and the ACLU,..toss in CAIR as well.)
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To: Rebelbase

I would think that the navigator and the captain were asleep on this one. There isn't any reason to put to sea in this type of weather in a cruise ship. Once at sea a cruise ship should do all that is possible to navigate around this type of weather.
This thing doesn't have the luxury of water tight hatches and doors nor does it have a military mission.
I rode out a few storms in a U.S.Navy tin can that was less than five hundred feet long. Sailors in storms are one thing whereas civilians are another.
Surely this vessel had at the least the Weather Channel available.


69 posted on 04/17/2005 6:20:30 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: SheLion
"I am not familiar with the ocean conditions in that area"

If you REALLY want to have your hair stand on end check out the thread running that tells about the famous (infamous) typhoon of 1944 in the Pacific, where we lost three destroyers and damaged any number of other surface ships.

Huge waives, winds to 130 MPH, and a barometer that fell to 27.3 inches. That is low; the Beaufort scale meant less than nothing after that.

High seas regards,

70 posted on 04/17/2005 6:20:41 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: ikka
Absolutely right. Happens all the time here in the Keys. We get anchored boats that have to cut their anchor line to get out of the way in time. Sometimes they don't.
71 posted on 04/17/2005 6:21:06 AM PDT by rodguy911 (rodguy911:First Let's get rid of the UN and the ACLU,..toss in CAIR as well.)
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To: Jimmy Valentine
If you REALLY want to have your hair stand on end check out the thread running that tells about the famous (infamous) typhoon of 1944 in the Pacific, where we lost three destroyers and damaged any number of other surface ships.

Jimmy, I think I have seen enough to put the fear of God in me concerning the ocean.  Makes me feel very small indeed.

72 posted on 04/17/2005 6:22:38 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Rebelbase

I Googled it. http://www.roblightbody.com/liners/qe-2/1995_freak_wave.htm

Nope, no talk of RADAR.

In one prominent rogue-wave encounter, Capt. Ronald Warwick, who followed in his father's footsteps to command the British ocean liner Queen Elizabeth II, was on the bridge at 4 a.m. on Sept. 11, 1995. Two hundred miles off Newfoundland, headed for New York, Warwick had been trying, without success, to dodge Hurricane Luis.

Minutes before, monstrous seas smashed windows in the Grand Salon, 72 feet off the water. Warwick had given the order confining passengers to quarters.

Suddenly, a huge wave loomed off the bow, huge even for a ship the size of the QE2, at nearly 1,000 feet long, more than 100 feet wide, carrying nearly 3,000 people.

Hundreds of miles from shore, the face of the wave was steep, like a breaking wall of water. Warwick later described that "it looked as though the ship was headed for the white cliffs of Dover."

Officers on the bridge estimated the wave at 92 feet, because they were eyeball to eyeball with the crest.

"(I)t broke with tremendous force over the bow. An incredible shudder went through the ship, followed a few minutes later by two smaller shudders," Warwick recalled in a 1996 article in Marine Observer.

The ship's bow dropped into a "hole" of a trough behind the first wave and was hit by a second wave of between 91 and 96 feet high that cleaned a mast right off the foredeck.

Warwick, his passengers and crew were lucky. No one was injured. It was a far different fate for the German container ship Munchen, which sank in the middle of the Atlantic in 1978 with no warning, no May Day.


73 posted on 04/17/2005 6:23:32 AM PDT by TalBlack
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To: Rebelbase

Its not uncommon for these waves to reach over 90 feet high. The southerns areas around the two capes are a prime area as currents along with storms brew up some real monsters.


74 posted on 04/17/2005 6:23:33 AM PDT by crz
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To: Rebelbase
Such seas are not uncommon in the N. Pacific:

AV

75 posted on 04/17/2005 6:25:02 AM PDT by Atomic Vomit (www.aroostookbeauty.com)
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To: porte des morts
Now a days they can change course, by circling around in about 5 minutes and many of todays modern cruise ships have 20 knot capability or more. the problem is they are extremely expensive to operate. Often times money and schedules are all that's important.
76 posted on 04/17/2005 6:26:18 AM PDT by rodguy911 (rodguy911:First Let's get rid of the UN and the ACLU,..toss in CAIR as well.)
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To: Rebelbase

What an awesome photo - and scary story.


77 posted on 04/17/2005 6:31:11 AM PDT by Gabz (John Paul II, pray for us.)
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To: poobear
"these little late northeasters are nothing less than a cat 1 hurricane"

Exactly right poobear. Time to head the other way. It's supposed to be a cruise, not victory at sea.
78 posted on 04/17/2005 6:32:30 AM PDT by rodguy911 (rodguy911:First Let's get rid of the UN and the ACLU,..toss in CAIR as well.)
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To: Graymatter

Most of the new liners look topheavy to me. Any pix of this ship ?


79 posted on 04/17/2005 6:35:18 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: rodguy911

They get the same weather reports as we do. What were they thinking? Save a little fuel?


80 posted on 04/17/2005 6:38:03 AM PDT by poobear
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